its reverted.said holinka
The most OP spec in the history of the game would be Rets. Rets have been buffed continuously since 2.01 and still, after all these years, retain their Bubble, Lay On Hands and BoF which they can still abuse in world PvP in addition to having the longest stun in the game.
They are still not solo-able in World PvP (maybe other Paladin specs are not soloable too) after all these years, and still, after all these years, do require a healer to take down and maybe an additional DPS as you still have to contend with a spec with unlimited resources, plate armor, and two health bars (through the use of Lay On Hands) so in essence, you have got to do to them twice or maybe three times the damage you would need to do to another player of a different class.
Compare all the above with a Rogue, the squishiest and least-played leather wearing class in the game, and you see how biased you are.
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Its not reverted. And it's a good change.
Kind of light though, I would have left CnD alone, and put a 20s CD on all the opener CC. But I guess they still want you to be able to cheapshot the world during dance, you just have to sprint to do it.
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Yup, plus if you trinket offensively you have to be CERTAIN you are going to land a kill, otherwise odds are you're dead before you can dance again. I miss the days of being able to trinket/cloak offensively without getting chewed out by my team.
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What's the problem with that? Assuming the rogue has a full energy bar (unlikely if you're having to suddenly pop dance to peel) the rogue will be lucky to end up with 4 combo points on their actual target by the end of the dance. Compare that to ring of frost or ring of peace (1 GCD peels), those aren't even a waste of a DPS cooldown. If you force a triple stun shadowdance, gz you just fully negated the rogues primary source of damage.
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Warriors were unCC-able with avatar up begin MoP. I believe rogues are able to get out of roots with the CnD talent, and will always stick to you basically making them unpeelable, only through CC which rogues usually countered with CloS.
I believe rogues are able to use CnD even while rooted.
They could also have made it you can't jump to targets anymore when rooted. That alone would make it a lot less OP.
No, rogues can't cloak and dagger or shadowstep while rooted. It was briefly possible to do so on the PTR, but it was nerfed before it hit the live servers. Physical roots are an absolute killer for that reason. Void tendrils could be gouged off in 5.1 but that got nerfed as well.
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over top warrior solution aka kill this class because i don't play it, lol.
personally, i wanna see subterfuge duration cut in half / glyphs for garrote and cheap removed. that's it.. that's a fix imo.
CnD doesnt bother me at all but i'll take anything at this point against rogues and hunters i guess...
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Since it's clear you didn't get me: rets aren't just soloable in world pvp in 5.2, they will die in the first cheap shot just like any class. If they pop a bubble they will now die in the second cheap shot instead of the first.
Last edited by Flaks; 2013-05-06 at 05:36 AM.
Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfangi7-6700 @2.8GHz | Nvidia GTX 960M | 16GB DDR4-2400MHz | 1 TB Toshiba SSD| Dell XPS 15
There are some people, who always took Cloak and Dagger because they were 1500 heroes who thought it was OP. Higher end players choose Shadowstep/Cloak depending on comp. There is nothing insanely OP about Cloak and Dagger. It's just another choice for your movement talent spec.
The only issue that it has in terms on increasing more than just mobility is that it compliments Subterfuge too well in that it allows you to Cheap/Garotte an entire team.. In my opinion Subterfuge needs a remake. Maybe make it so after coming out of stealth you are untargetable/invisible for 3 seconds but are not considered stealthed.
thats all great. what are you quoting me for? are you trying to say only 1500 players take CnD at all? LOL. sure its comp dependent but its like 70-30 for CnD atm. thats along way from 'useless', how you use it is what changes between good and bad players.
also i you read up i said ;
"personally, i wanna see subterfuge duration cut in half / glyphs for garrote and cheap removed. that's it.. that's a fix imo.
CnD doesnt bother me at all but i'll take anything at this point against rogues and hunters i guess..."
stop quoting me, then saying the same thing and acting like its a revelation.