To be fair, Taran Zhu is a lot tougher than you're giving him credit for. According to a preview version of Vol'jin's novel, he effortlessly takes out multiple mogu while they're giving Chen and Vol'jin problems one at a time. The problem was that all of the Shado-Pan's enemies rose up at the same time, as well as Sha that had reached levels of power there were no historical record of, stretching their low numbers thin (they're an elite fighting force more than a standing army with a bunch of redshirts). He lost control because we empowered Hatred far beyond any level it reached in history, and it used his hate of the outsiders that caused these problems as its in.
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there's no point in arguing with you if you ignore what I say and keep defending the points that I've already told you are correct. your arguments are empty when you are not arguing with me, but with the points that I don't care about. he has his reasons to hate me and his hatred of me makes me hate him. he is justified, but I don't give a fuck. do you love people that hate you and treat you like shit? I sure don't.
you ended up proving my point, actually. "The irony being you're dismissive of the details of his situation but you're mad at him for being dismissive of the Horde's details. He doesn't care about the Horde's political situation. He cares about defending Pandaria from, among other things, the Sha, which we're responsible for empowering to this level". he doesn't care about my issues, and I don't care about his. he hates me, and because of that, I hate him.
in fact I've been boiling of bloodlust for the shado-pan after reading the shortstory of the shado-pan children abuse. I'd just LOVE the opportunity to kill them in siege of orgrimmar, but instead I'm stuck having to kill characters I actually like, like the golden lotus or the klaxxi paragons.
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Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.
You kept bringing up how it was only Garrosh's fault the Sha were empowered. I provided evidence to the contrary. You kept bringing up how Taran Zhu shouldn't have been possessed--I pointed out that there was no historical record of Sha being this powerful. Cho, someone whose entire life's purpose is to record history, says the only records came from legends that were more thought of as cautionary tales.
If someone hates me for fully-justified reasons, I consider that time to give myself a good, hard look and figure out what's going on and what needs to change.
Yeah, it's no-bueno bordering on monstrous, but keep in mind what they fight. They have to be Spartan about training new members to ensure each and every one of them is the best of the best, otherwise what happened when all of their enemies attacked would happen whenever there was a swarm or the yaungol went marauding. Doesn't excuse it, but again, context matters. And going by that short story, they are open and honest about the lethality of the trials, and go to great lengths to insist that anyone who doesn't want to risk their life in those trials can go home without shame.in fact I've been boiling of bloodlust for the shado-pan after reading the shortstory of the shado-pan children abuse. I'd just LOVE the opportunity to kill them in siege of orgrimmar, but instead I'm stuck having to kill characters I actually like, like the golden lotus or the klaxxi paragons.
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I think a lot of the hate for Taran Zhu comes from the fact that he does not bow down and grovel at our feet telling us that we are heroes and saviors. So rather then accept the fact that the Alliance and Horde basically fucked up all of Pardaria we call Taran Zhu a hypocrite and liar and make him out to be the bad guy.
Other then the early Mantid swarm we caused all the other Sha related issues that happened.
I don't think that Taran Zhu, following the questline in Pandaria, knew about the escape of the Sha of Fear and the corruption of the Mantid when he spoke to Xuen with Dezco and Anduin. We could easily argue that lorewise even the Sha of Anger didn't escape yet from the Monastery like we see him in Kun-Lai at that moment, so I have to think that the Sha's outbreak in the Monastery happened when Taran Zhu returned to the Monastery, and while we're doing all the stuff in Kun-Lai until the last quests, the Monastery became infested and Taran Zhu possesed, which should have closed the Kun-Lai storyline (we free Taran Zhu by the Sha and go to Townlong, where we find him soon after).
What is not clear is if the 3 Sha in the Monastery broke free after the returning of Taran Zhu (after the talk with Xuen) or when he returned found the Monastery already in complete chaos, and the freed Sha of Hatred took possesion of him, since indeed he boiled more hatred inside him than anyone else (he was the head of the Shado-Pan so he probably felt the responsibility of what was happening on his back).
Ofcourse not, but Garrosh is the only accountable responsible for the unleashing of the Sha of Pride.You kept bringing up how it was only Garrosh's fault the Sha were empowered
I didn't say that. but the destruction of the vale IS 100% garrosh's fault and not mine. in fact, the 2 most prideful characters in-game right now are garrosh and taran zhu, who thinks his opinions are better than the ones of the celestials.
I was in kun-lai too when he was possessed, and I didn't get possessed. if he did, he was more hateful than me. therefore, he contributed more to the sha of hatred's empowerment than I did.You kept bringing up how Taran Zhu shouldn't have been possessed--I pointed out that there was no historical record of Sha being this powerful.
a beautiful take on life, but considering that no one else hates us in pandaria like taran zhu does (not even the celestials, that are above him as protectors of pandaria), I'd say the issue is with him.If someone hates me for fully-justified reasons, I consider that time to give myself a good, hard look and figure out what's going on and what needs to change.
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Callei, you know I love you man, but I have to say, the thing with Taran Zhu and how he one minute says 'I don't give a shit about your political problems' and the next minute says 'bah, you don't take my political problems seriously!' is kind of the reason why I've grown to dislike him.
its a bit of a double standard to demand it from others when giving little back. Sure you can argue that this is his land and he's right to feel this way, but with the fact if it wasn't for the horde and alliance, they could not have stood a chance against the thunder king, well, yeah, his political problems is something we addressed otherwise pandaren would have been in chains again.
And horde and alliance do take care of these things, be it there own or the pandarens.
If Zhu was to say 'we will lend our aid in bringing the tyrant hellscream to justice, but know this, we hold nothing for your faction conflict, once he is dealt with, we are gone', THAT would have been fine. But no, he didn't even give that to us after we dealt with the pandarens greatest enemy.
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#boycottchina
Why should he care about our internal politics? We're coming to his land, mucking things up with the sha, and spilling blood on Pandaren land for reasons that don't concern the pandaren. It's Pandaria that's paying the price for this, with their sacred vale being desecrated. He deserves to be angry for this, especially when he called this happening.
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Because of the good the Horde had done while on Pandaria, Dezco was able to talk Taran Zhu into giving him until the end of the season to make things right. And instead of that happening, Garrosh goes from digging a big hole in the sacred vale to completely desecrating it. I think a few words of anger are justified at this point.
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And this isn't even just a simple case of 'he dug a hole in our pretty, sacred vale.' The waters that sustain the Pandaren, and possibly other races too, by allowing the valley of four winds to be such impossibly fantastic farmland have dried up, which could lead to massive food shortages if the vale isn't restored, having potential far reaching consequences, though some of the voice files indicate there is hope it can be restored.
I'm curious to see if we get any sound files from Eitrigg or Saurfang. Thrall went off looking for them in 5.3 and we obviously find him but what about them?
Flying around PTR and it looks like Zaela has got Galakras fully empowered.
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What bugs me about that is the complete ignoring of the fact in game that while Jaine is the 'leader' of Dalaran they're still run by council of six. There should have been a vote on expelling the sunreavers and so far as we can tell the other 4 (sans Aethas) just ran with it.
i've had my hopes up that zaela would be the one they're talking about when they mention "she's turning on her own towers" but what if it is gorganna from grizzly hills?? i would be very upset at the loss of zaela, but maybe that would open the path for more gorganna development?
Partially a fair point, but like Florena said, WE brought OUR war in HIS land, without a particular justification. He didn't have much reasons for caring about politics of strangers, regardless of the help given and considering all the mess he and his Shado-Pan had to deal with.
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That's one of the reasons that prove that Jaina's decision and following actions were irrational and hot-headed, and I guess that the rest of the Kirin Tor didn't have the guts nor a serious interest in opposing or just discussing with her, could even be possible that they wanted this outcome all along, but it's in the field of speculations.
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they haven't added the effect in Sylvanas voice, that's why it sounds different, it's PTR ppl...