Horde - Garrosh complications. Alliance - ???

[Ianus]

Does anybody have a purpose for this argument? Does the Alliance being a continuation of the Alliance of Lorderon mean anything, or are we just arguing to argue? Same question with the old horde.

it was sarcasm cause he doesnt acknowledge what is obvious .. horde or alliance ..they are both different from their predecessors..diff goals and different alliances

[Aquamonkey]

Does anybody have a purpose for this argument? Does the Alliance being a continuation of the Alliance of Lorderon mean anything, or are we just arguing to argue? Same question with the old horde.

"Not the same 'Alliance'.

The one we have today emerged after Arthas became a little shit with Frostmourne. He was an important human hero, but not Alliance."
Sett trying to argue that Arthas wasn't Alliance.

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but new horde just switched members from demons to trolls, taurens.. so its same horde cause it still has orcs in it

Horde never had demon members. Only the Fel Horde did, which is a continuation of the Orcish Horde of Draenor.

The orcs in the internment camps were no longer part of the Horde. How can they possibly maintain a multi-clan organizational structure across multiple camps when they are wasting away in lethargy? When they reformed again, it was a completely different organization than the old Horde.

It's like if Gilneas, Stromgarde, and Silvermoon decided to ally with each other years after leaving the Alliance. That would be a completely different organization.

[Ianus]

"Not the same 'Alliance'.

The one we have today emerged after Arthas became a little shit with Frostmourne. He was an important human hero, but not Alliance."
Sett trying to argue that Arthas wasn't Alliance.

he was boss in alliance of lordaeron what you dont understand? boss=prince

[Aquamonkey]

it was sarcasm cause he doesnt acknowledge what is obvious .. horde or alliance ..they are both different from their predecessors..diff goals and different alliances

he was boss in alliance of lordaeron what you dont understand?

It's the same Alliance, it never disbanded. It continued through all the kingdoms that were still part of the Alliance WC2 to WC3 to WoW.

Stormwind
Theramore (founded by members of the Alliance)
Kul'tiras (rolled into Theramore)
Gnomeregan
Ironforge
Wildhammer

[Jinx16]

"Not the same 'Alliance'.

The one we have today emerged after Arthas became a little shit with Frostmourne. He was an important human hero, but not Alliance."
Sett trying to argue that Arthas wasn't Alliance.

Ah, I see. Arthas counts as Alliance IMO, and as an Alliance player I offer an official apology for his rampant douchebaggery. As a Horde player I offer an official apology for Garrosh's similar douchebaggery.

[Aquamonkey]

but new horde just switched members from demons to trolls, taurens.. so its same horde cause it still has orcs in it...and alliance of lordaeron was alliance that was made around lordaeron as leading nation after arthas destroyed lordaeron and killed his father that alliance ceased to exist as alliance of lordaeron.. so no its not the same alliance..cause now SW is calling the shots and its different city state ..

An organization doesn't disappear just because the leader and capital are destroyed when the members maintain the organization. Jaina, Theramore, and Kul Tiras are described as Alliance in-game even after Lordaeron fell. Plus all the other kingdoms that were still part of the Alliance.

[Dreknar20]

Ah, I see. Arthas counts as Alliance IMO, and as an Alliance player I offer an official apology for his rampant douchebaggery. As a Horde player I offer an official apology for Garrosh's similar douchebaggery.

an apology for something someone else does?
how very odd......

[Ianus]

It's the same Alliance, it never disbanded. It continued through all the kingdoms that were still part of the Alliance WC2 to WC3 to now.

Stormwind
Theramore (founded by members of the Alliance)
Kul'tiras (rolled into Theramore)
Gnomeregan
Ironforge
Wildhammer

then u can tell same thing for the horde it just switched members ..same orcs lead the horde

[Dreknar20]

..diff goals and different alliances

it has had pretty same members throughout Warcraft
and whats so different about their goals? Its an Alliance to pool their resources and also their problems, same as its always been

[GennGreymane]

Why are they not playing up Miora! that dark iron betch

[Aquamonkey]

then u can tell same thing for the horde it just switched members ..same orcs lead the horde

WTF about disbanded do you not understand? The only continuity of the Old Horde was in the clans that evaded capture after WC2 and redubbed themselves the Dark Horde.

Did freed slaves in America banding together make them part of their original African countries? No.

[Ianus]

it has had pretty same members throughout Warcraft
and whats so different about their goals? Its an Alliance to pool their resources and also their problems, same as its always been

well alliance of lordaeron was exclusively formed to wipe out orcs that sacked SW in first war and push them out through dark portal.. new alliance is same as new horde pure survival

[Aquamonkey]

well alliance of lordaeron was exclusively formed to wipe out orcs that sacked SW in first war and push them out through dark portal.. new alliance is same as new horde pure survival

The Alliance of Lordaeron was for their mutual protection. It persisted even after the Horde was defeated and the orcs were locked up.

[Jinx16]

it has had pretty same members throughout Warcraft
and whats so different about their goals? Its an Alliance to pool their resources and also their problems, same as its always been

A lot of Alliance players want to distance themselves from the actions of people like Garithos and Arthas. A lot of Horde want to distance themselves Ner'zhul and Gul'dan. Both factions have skeletons in their closets they would rather not face.

[Ianus]

WTF about disbanded do you not understand? The only continuity of the Old Horde was in the clans that evaded capture after WC2 and redubbed themselves the Dark Horde.

Did freed slaves in America banding together make them part of their original African countries? No.

so if there were same orc clans in old horde and new horde its same horde...they just got freed from demon's blood its same members.. some members swapped out and thats it.. its same horde..

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The Alliance of Lordaeron was for their mutual protection. It persisted even after the Horde was defeated and the orcs were locked up.

i agree with that but you could just tell that both horde and alliance got reformed and that they are same shit.. from predecessors

[Al Gorefiend]

Whoever thinks Alliance is boring has clearly never rolled Dwarf or Gnome.

Sure Humans are boring, but they aren't the only Alliance race. You don't need to have fictional pixels arguing to have fun with your faction, WoW lore is barely immersive anyways.

[Dreknar20]

well alliance of lordaeron was exclusively formed to wipe out orcs that sacked SW in first war and push them out through dark portal.

must be why they disbanded after the war was over........oh wait they didnt

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A lot of Alliance players want to distance themselves from the actions of people like Garithos and Arthas. A lot of Horde want to distance themselves Ner'zhul and Gul'dan. Both factions have skeletons in their closets they would rather not face.

sounds bout right
but hey, dont burden yourself too much about what other people did

[Aquamonkey]

so if there were same orc clans in old horde and new horde its same horde...they just got freed from demon's blood its same members.. some members swapped out and thats it.. its same horde..

Doesn't matter if every single member is the same. The original organization was disbanded. Them coming together again makes it a new organization.

Just like how the Alliance of Lordaeron was not a continuation of Arathor. There was an intervening period where the organization was disbanded.

[Ianus]

Doesn't matter if every single member is the same. The original organization was disbanded. Them coming together again makes it a new organization.

Just like how the Alliance of Lordaeron was not a continuation of Arathor. There was an intervening period where the organization was disbanded.

then Alliance is also new same members just new boss..

[Aquamonkey]

then Alliance is also new same members just new boss..

Nope. Never disbanded. US doesn't become a new country when the President changes. Or any Kingdom when the king changes. Or any company when the CEO changes.