All of the Tea Party hate from the establishment...

[Boogieknight]

The Tea Party isn't a grass-roots movement. It's what they refer to as an "astroturf" movement because it mimics grass-root movements with large corporate or financial backing.

[Paranoid Android]

Yeah, the executive branch seems to be overlooked rather frequently. Probably trying extremely hard to forget about the Presidency after failing to make Obama a one term President.

Well its overlooked because there is a foreign born, Muslim, socialist in the White House. He is not legit.

/sarcasm

[SirRobin]

I think all of you liberals are afraid to say Reid is not at fault, because you know he is.

Hehe... You're probably just doing this because you're as bored as I am right now. But, what the hell. I am bored after all.

When even conservative icons like Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh tell the Republicans to back off? It makes attempts to blame Democrats for the shutdown, pretty laughable.

[OzoAndIndi]

The establishment, especially many members of MMO-Champion, hate the Tea Party; even though many of them don't actually know what it is. I'm not a member of the movement, but it seems incredibly hypocritical for a lot of these pro-establishment types to demonize them.

Generalizes non Tea Party people, esp MMO Champion members, forces membership into "the establishment" and uses it like a dirty word. Hypocritical you say?

At it's core, the Tea Party is a grassroots movement dedicated to holding politicians accountable to the people.

I live in the state that had to hear about the Christine O'Donnell crap the most. What came out of that woman, please... it's not that innocent. And all the far right people through the country just adored her! Rooted for her to overthrow a man who we'd kept in office a long long time for a reason, a Republican of all people, in a liberal state, but according to her and her cohorts he was too moderate and now just a RINO - which I find insulting while not even being one.

In particular I find it insulting for outside sources to have been donating money to help make her win, affecting in-state things they themselves are not affected by as non residents. We lost a good one, Republican or not, because her and people like her wanted to turn ubernutbag.

you should at least be glad that the American people are finally making a stand against corruption.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot they were THE great American heroes, THE self-labeled patriots... So valiantly slaying dragons and fighting this horrible great evil that's trying to get us! How silly of the "left" to not realize that the causes of the Tea Party paranoia are real!

"Liberals" don't need a grassroots movement and people who lean left don't need to be a part of one to be against corruption and all that junk.

[Elestia]

Tea Party gets a lot of "hate" because it's two faced. Their politics and rhetoric is a lie, and they are thus a truer representation of what they like to say they're against. The sad part is there are enough people who believe them and have thrown votes their way.

[misterpuk]

I think all of you liberals are afraid to say Reid is not at fault, because you know he is.

Negative. The Republican party or a small portion therein had the shutdown planned all along. Why else would they have changed the House rules for calling a vote on the subject beforehand?

I'll just leave this here for you:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...e-on-clean-cr/

There were reportedly enough votes to pass a bill to end the shutdown, but the Tea Party "conservatives" changed the rules to set the whole thing up. As it is now, only 1 person may call for a vote on such matters - Far from the democratic process the groups cries wolf on.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I think all of you liberals are afraid to say Reid is not at fault, because you know he is.

Well it's official.

You haven't constructed a bubble around yourself.

You've constructed fantasy bunker that could withstand a multi gigaton nuclear factsplosion.

[araine]

Guess what? They don't have any choice but to negotiate. The budget must originate in the house and that is what the house wants. It's appalling people are defending being childish and not performing your basic job description. Not negotiating is literally doing nothing. We are not paying them to do nothing. If the house passes something and the senate wants something different, they negotiate. Harry Reid single-handedly caused the shutdown by refusing to do his job. His actions are indefensible. He is entirely to blame and there is no way around it. House passed 4 bills well before the deadline. If someone blames anyone else besides Harry Reid for hitting that deadline, they're ignoring basic facts.

If you think you can use Obamacare as a threat to default and shut down teh government over well here is my advice to you drive yourself and the country over the cliff since i will NEVER deal with hostage takers like that. Really imagine the outrage from the teaparty and the far right if democratic members of congress was holding the country hostage and the demands was increase corporate taxation by 50% or we will shut the government down.

Teabaggers have proven once again that they are very dangerous to this country and the best decision is to NEVER make deals with them on anything.


You can NOT negotiate with a group that arent willing to strike deals unless they get 100% of where they started. and when they think ACA is negotiable at this point they obviously have ZERO clue on what can be done and what can NOT.

Extremely glad Obama and Reid did the right thing and saying all that Teabagger BS is dead on arrival. big kudos to both of them for standing firm and finally showing democratic members in Washington with a spine to do what is right.

[stumpy]

Hehe... You're probably just doing this because you're as bored as I am right now. But, what the hell. I am bored after all.

When even conservative icons like Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh tell the Republicans to back off? It makes attempts to blame Democrats for the shutdown, pretty laughable.

Although if you missed it, Karl Rove has described the entire shutdown debacle as a devious trap by Obama.

[araine]

I think all of you liberals are afraid to say Reid is not at fault, because you know he is.

Reid have done a very good job in making sure the teabaggers got exactly NOTHING from the hijacking of our congress.

[Paranoid Android]

The House starts every budget process.

All bills for raising revenue (a budget) must originate solely in the House of Representatives.

The majority party originates the budget bill. If you disagree with the party that holds that power, then don't give them that power. Don't elect them...

You do realize what the House passes is not law. It has to be passed by the Senate, which again is held by the Dems who do not want to defend ObamaCare. This last one is a bit tricky but there is a thing called the Executive branch. The Executive branch, who happens to be Barack Obama, signs the bill and it becomes law. For some crazy reason I don't think he is going to veto his own landmark bill.

Your sage advice of if you don't like it, then don't elect them is brilliant. I'll link you to what Gerrymandering is and how in a lot districts its nearly impossible to vote out the party. Thus, when Boehner did not even want to go along with this he would not say it because he know someone more right than him, aka a Tea Party member, would primary him. You are right about one thing with the tactics of the Tea Party the Republicans will be lucky to get the Senate or Presidency back.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Reid have done a very good job in making sure the teabaggers got exactly NOTHING from the hijacking of our congress.

If anything, Reid has stuck true to American values. Never negotiate with terrorists.

So yeah, I guess it is his fault after all. It's Reid's fault for not negotiating with terrorists.

[NYC17]

I think all of you liberals are afraid to say Reid is not at fault, because you know he is.

Since your thoughts are rather loose and unsubstantiated, this doesn't have quite the bite you think it does.

[araine]

Negative. The Republican party or a small portion therein had the shutdown planned all along. Why else would they have changed the House rules for calling a vote on the subject beforehand?

I'll just leave this here for you:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...e-on-clean-cr/

There were reportedly enough votes to pass a bill to end the shutdown, but the Tea Party "conservatives" changed the rules to set the whole thing up. As it is now, only 1 person may call for a vote on such matters - Far from the democratic process the groups cries wolf on.

We know the republicans wanted a shutdown no doubt about it since that is why they used the nuclear option to allow only Cantor to bring a bill to end it. They knew they had to do that nuclear option since they knew the majority in congress was NEVER following along on this teabagger insanity shutdown.

Just remember how willing the teabaggers and GOP was to push teh country and the world of a cliff just to please the teabagger fanatics.

[Kellhound]

You know we literally go insane if left alone right? We're social creatures at our deepest level and function best as codependent packs.

A few stong minded people have survived mentally intact, but it is rare over a long period of time. Even Mountain Men had get togethers.

[Poopymonster]

Although if you missed it, Karl Rove has described the entire shutdown debacle as a devious trap by Obama.

Faux News has referred to it as a "Slimdown".

[araine]

If anything, Reid has stuck true to American values. Never negotiate with terrorists.

So yeah, I guess it is his fault after all. It's Reid's fault for not negotiating with terrorists.

Thats a good thing. if you cave once to these terrorists in congress you will have them taking higher and higher demands next time they see a crisis they can exploit for gains for the teabaggers

[Kellhound]

The majority party is under no obligation to negotiate with the minority party. When you're the minority party and your demand is that the majority party undo its signature legislation, expect to be ignored.

The GOP is the majority party in the House, the Dems are the majority party in the Senate, we have a split congress.

[Wells]

The GOP is the majority party in the House, the Dems are the majority party in the Senate, we have a split congress.

And the Democrats have the White House. They're the majority party.

[Poopymonster]

And the Democrats have the White House. They're the majority party.

And supposedly the Supreme Court (And their corporate sponsors) are neutral.