i was in an lfr today, the trash right before blackfuse and the group wiped continuously 6 times. the first time was just a fail, the second was a lock tried to get everyone to skip the trash, third, fourth, and fifth were all due to dps pulling while waiting for a 2nd tank. sixth was a fail for whatever reason. finally we killed the trash on the seventh attempt. i guess lfr might need determination for trash too...