Japan accepted just three refugees in the first half of 2017

[Kelathos]

From what I have seen of Tokyo on TV... Japan is well overpopulated.

[Deianeira]

Yeah, I have friends who have parents who are similar.

Sure is sad to see the older generation is passing on the sins of the fathers to their Children.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

What do you expect from a country that was just as evil and fucked up as Nazi Germany, but got off all but scott-free from the continued shame of what they did during WWII (and earlier)? They got a slap on the hand compared to Germany, who's still living that shit down.

And it shows.

[Macaquerie]

From what I have seen of [insert capital of any country on Earth] on TV... [said country] is well overpopulated.

Fixed that for you.

[Deleted]

end of the day ladies and gents its each country's prerogative based on how they vote democratically (pro immigrant party's / anti immigrant party's ) on how many people they take in or not, and no matter what you think of that or how badly it may offend our sensibility's it is there right and as the mass condemnation of trump internationally has shown its not going to change how there people want there country to be, it would also by hypocritical for us to continue to blast Russia for trying to effect the USA when we are selves try the same.

sometimes in life you see things you disagree with and maby are totally against but nothing has ever been gained diplomatically by telling another group of people how they should be, it in fact most often serves only to harden there stance. a lesson i do so hope the left wing learns in time as punching a Nazi dosen't change there opinion only confines it to the voting booth and the fringe of society where it can spread unchecked.

peace gents

[Deianeira]

See, the issues with this is... You seem to be getting your information and opinions from echo-chambers. These people are a minority, not quite the minority that the actual immigrants are but still, a minority. The majority of Europe couldnt care less about politics, just like most people do not care.

In fact, we're more annoyed by the screaming of these "dedicated" politically "active" individuials than we are by the problems that some of the immigrants are causing.

Seriously tired of the bullshit echo-chamber here on MMO-champion, doubly so because they claim this website is leftist when all I ever see is alt-right hatred. You might think you views rather in the middle or non-extreme. But in the real world, people with these attitude are placed right next to nazis on the scale of "please fuck right off, you're annoying and ignorant".

Hatred is not the way forward, and closeminded uneducated opinions about the people you claim to be the scourge of the earth isnt doing anyone any favors.

I mean I dont like people, much less people from a far more loudmouthed and religious culture, as I dislike confrontations, loud noises and religion, aka ignorance. But that doesnt mean I hate them and want them to stay and die in their war-torn countries. In fact I commend them for at least trying to improve their position in life. Hell of a lot more productive than this incessive whining.

But go ahead, tell me how increadibly wrong I am, I mean, no matter what I write you'll find a sentance or two to refute and proudly explain on how I'm oh so wrong, despite as usual... americans having no clue of every-day life in europe thinking its a living hellhole atm.

Couldnt have said it better myself. Sadly as you said there is noway we can ever make them see it from our perspective. Its Always "fakenews" this and "propaganda" that. Fun thing is pretty much every American i ever have spoken to that actually VISITED Europé and especially for an extended period of time pretty much Always start to wonder if there isnt a way to incorporate more of our policys at home.

[Mistame]

There's like 3, maybe 4 people on this forum who actually care how many refugees a country takes in.

[Deianeira]

Trying to decrease the population is difficult because, as the Japanese are currently discovering, having an inverted age pyramid where a shrinking group of young adults have to support a growing population of retirees is unsustainable.



The problem with modernity is that it encourages people to actually give a shit about their kids, and to spend vast sums making sure they grow up healthy and strong, attend the best schools, participate in sports, music, and other character building activities, and have all of the other advantages they need to succeed in a competitive world. All of this is extremely costly and many parents would rather just invest in a single child rather than having to spread their resources across several.

Regarding your first paragraph i Think the problem the japanese have is that the Young ones are so ingrained on supporting their elders so they dont actually have time to have their own kids. i could be wrong but from what i remember they have a very strong sense of responsibility for their elders. And ofcourse most modern economies that have a high percentage of the population that are educated normally see a decline in birthrates among the indigenous peoples of that country.

[Mormolyce]

My reflexive ideal blame is both modernity creating a self-centered culture and Capitalism and the Welfare state creating incentives not to have kids. As neither Sweden's early attempts to bribe women to breed worked, nor Singapore attempts at social Conservatism.

The welfare state... creates incentives NOT to have kids?

Well that's certainly an original spin on the typical right wing narrative lol.

[Mittens]

Even if they did, there are fewer young people in general in the country. Once more it is a problem Japan shares with many countries.

The issue I take with the "JUST TAKE MIGRANTS BRAH!" crowd is that it will incentivize those countries with this problem to keep the source of the migrants forever poor and hellish so as to act as fresh flesh farms rather than solving their own birth rate issues.

Something I'm trying to talk to a few about but 'round and 'round we go on the issue.

Can you prove said incentives are being acted upon? Else its not really a concern.

[gyrados]

Japan isn't obligated to take in anybody. Nobody is.

but think about feelings REEEEEE /s

[Theodarzna]

Can you prove said incentives are being acted upon? Else its not really a concern.

Considering we would rather drain these countries of workers and their "Best and Brightest" I'd say that alone is what happens and the constant fuckery with their governments / overthrowing them.

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The welfare state... creates incentives NOT to have kids?

Well that's certainly an original spin on the typical right wing narrative lol.

Well there is the issue of Social Security. The incentive is actually to personally not have kids or have very few to save money and then collect ones entitled checks off of other people whose kids would be paying into the system.

I.E. unlike in the past where you had to depend on family connections or children to take care of yourself in old age, you are now guaranteed a check from the state. The check comes to you even if you did not create a next generation of workers or even try to.

So the most optimal strategy is to have no kids, save money and then collect that check. After all other peoples kids will cover you. But if enough people adopt that strategy it obviously topples the system. Somewhat like the business incentive is to pay workers as little as possible but assume other businesses pay their workers enough to buy your products. But if everyone does the Wal-Mart strategy then nobody has enough to shop.

[Mittens]

Considering we would rather drain these countries of workers and their "Best and Brightest" I'd say that alone is what happens and the constant fuckery with their governments / overthrowing them.

I highly doubt that middle east dictatorships were toppled so just that their natives would move to Europe or other neighbouring countries. Also, once again weird you say that, considering that we have outsourced a good chunk of middle class jobs to these countries and opened our markets to them.

[Theodarzna]

I highly doubt that middle east dictatorships were toppled so just that their natives would move to Europe or other neighbouring countries. Also, once again weird you say that, considering that we have outsourced a good chunk of middle class jobs to these countries and opened our markets to them.

Its an added benefit and it keeps those areas in turmoil.

[Teri]

Cherry picking the best while us with land connection to the shitshow have to just take it all in

Not just a simple land connection, but also "schengen" EU travel zone, once you are in, you can pretty much drive cars to wherever country is part of it.

[Endus]

name a single benefit for needing refugees, other than a cheap slave manpower source

Refugee intake isn't about benefit. It's a humanitarian endeavour. It's like saying "but what do I get for sending supplies to Puerto Rico?" or "why would I donate to cancer research? I don't have cancer!"

Only caring about the welfare of other human beings if it's personally advantageous to you is not the good look you think it is.

[Reinhard von Lohengramm]

Now what was it my "very socialist" (his words, not mine) economy professor said during the first day of lectures?

"If Benefits(X) > Costs(X), then do X."

Clearly they've done their math.

[zorkuus]

We have been destabilizing the middle east since the 50-60's

I'm finnish. Where do I fit in this?

[Tic Tacs]

If you haven't noticed refugees are used as a political tool for negotiations which is very inhumane to the people fleeing from countries destroyed by the US and their allies.

[Freighter]

Refugee intake isn't about benefit. It's a humanitarian endeavour. It's like saying "but what do I get for sending supplies to Puerto Rico?" or "why would I donate to cancer research? I don't have cancer!"

Only caring about the welfare of other human beings if it's personally advantageous to you is not the good look you think it is.

Since you take them for humanitarian reasons they're not supposed to contribute, which should make you hold them to a way higher standard in how they conduct themselves as you don't need them for labor, they're just there for protection. Crime is totally unacceptable if you take refugees as they're the ones who supposedly needs protection. Immigrants coming for labor reasons at least have to be contributing economically to the country, refugees do not. Refugees should never be admitted unless you can guarantee they will behave. If they commit any crime they should be sent back in an instant, if there's too many refugees committing crime you should consider closing down receiving refugees since they can't refrain from abusing the host countries hospitality.