How do you feel about the following phrase?

[Machismo]

No its not. Its stating facts.

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I could go back all the way to 2010 but i wont bother. Why is it so wrong to say a certain race is good at something?

If the intent is to imply that other races are bad at something, you are being a racist asshat.

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I have never actually heard anyone say that sentence, so I assume that it's just made up in order to push a different narrative. It seems the OP should say what he or she is really thinking.

[Trassk]

I prefer "every action has an equal and opposite reaction"

[belfpala]

While it's a pretty big oversimplification of America's reason for entering the war and Germany's willingness to go along with the national socialistic movement, I don't really disagree. But the difference is that whatever nazi movement there is today in any part of the western world is simply a fringe element that poses no danger to the structure of society nor the population at large. They've been there for decades, same as the KKK, same as the black activists spouting the "kill whitey" nonsense, and they have no political influence at all. They're shitty, hateful people, and they'll always exist, but the law still applies. And if we change the law to make it legal to punch someone for one set of ideas outside of a war, it sets a precedent, and what ideas will it be legal to punch people for next?

I don't know, but I'm absolutely fine with someone preaching intolerance getting punched. A little this for that, quid pro quo, so to speak.

I won't be throwing any punches myself. The only demonstration I've attended recently was the March for Science last summer, and in that event there probably would have been more discussion about the physics of a properly thrown punch rather than actual punch throwing.

[ParanoiD84]

Must be why they are always attacking the cops, they are just a big joke.

[Mormolyce]

What does that have to do with it? Did I somehow say that nazis are just a-okay and get a free pass? I'm simply saying that violence should never be a reasonable response to speech or ideas no matter who is involved, only to action and only towards the particular individuals involved in that action. Both sides are guilty of "believe as I do, or I'll get violent."

Seems like an absurd false equivalence, especially when "anti-fascist" is pretty much the entire population aside from the tiny group of actual fascists.

[Slant]

"Anti-fascism is always self-defense". How do you feel about this phrase? Is it true and any actions taken is self-defense or is not true?

That statement is twisting facts and dishonest.

[Deleted]

Seems like an absurd false equivalence, especially when "anti-fascist" is pretty much the entire population aside from the tiny group of actual fascists.

Yet the "anti-fascist" groups that show up to fight the nazis/fascists/whatever aren't really representative of the entire population though, are they?
They're acting on their own accord, have their own agenda and motivation. And they're equally guilty in instigation and violence as the people they're there to protest. I'm not supporting nazis, I'm just saying that if the law applies to one, it applies to all, no exceptions or excuses.

[PosPosPos]

"Anti-fascism is always self-defense". How do you feel about this phrase? Is it true and any actions taken is self-defense or is not true?

Correct. It's always self-defense to fight against Nazism.

[Dezerte]

I think I'd always want to fight against fascism, as would most people. But I'm guessing the OP is trying to say something else, perhaps Antifa related?

[Elim Garak]

Fighting against fascism is only justifiable when you live in a fascist regime. In any other case fighting against fascism is fascism.

[Deleted]

Fighting against fascism is only justifiable when you live in a fascist regime. In any other case fighting against fascism is fascism.

Fascism is fascism. Things which are not fascism are not fascism.

In other news black is not white, the Pope is Catholic and bears continue to shit in woods.

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So what do you suggest? That we ago around shooting people who hold other opinions? Sure, that won't be a slippery slope and surely nothing bad could come of that.

Next time ISIS come to town I'm sure you'll happily respect their right to free speech as they kill you and your family.

ALTOGETHER NOW, "THAT'S DIFFERENT"! For reasons.

[Kalis]

Unless there is a real threat of immediate violence, then it isn’t self defence, it is just physically attacking people for holding different political opinions and that is an extremist stance.

Antifa groups have managed to taint the anti-fascist movement, which just shows how incredibly stupid Antifa members are.

[Elim Garak]

Fascism is fascism. Things which are not fascism are not fascism.

Fighting fascism in a democratic country is also fascism. Because it all boils down to purging society from dissenting ideas. There's a saying that loosely translates into English like this: shit doesn't stink unless you poke it.

[Deleted]

Unless there is a real threat of immediate violence

Nazis never killed any one.

[Kalis]

Nazis never killed any one.

Commies killed people, that doesn’t mean it is okay to punch you for being one.

[ohwell]

WWII: Smack down some fascists!
2017: Fascists are just expressing an opinion!

Ok then.

We didn't end up in WWII because of a desire to take down fascists so try again. It was the invasions occurring and the ultimate atrocities being committed by Germany. Of course also Japan attacking the US as well. Involvement in WWII was not fascism related. The stomping of fascists was a byproduct.

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Europeans have a different view of fascism than we do in the US. We had the American Bund which was a fascist organization from 1930 to 1944 or so and after WWII they reopened as The American Nazi party. They've always held rallies and demonstrations. The Klan gets to hold rallies, the Nazis get to hold rallies, it's all protected speech according to the First Amendment.

It doesn't mean anyone will show up to listen to them though. Ignoring them is the best way to fight them.

Ignoring is not the best way to fight them as they'll grow in strength. Neither is punching them. Having dialogue to prove them wrong in open forum is how you defeat them lest they gain supporters. Not allowing the equally fascist and racist groups get power under the guise of "diversity and equality" is also a good thought. When the "it's ok to be white" signs were deemed racist meanwhile you can post all the black pride you want, that gives rise to these people.

[Danner]

I don't know, but I'm absolutely fine with someone preaching intolerance getting punched. A little this for that, quid pro quo, so to speak.

So, you're preaching intolerance of intolerance, then?

[Kalis]

So, you're preaching intolerance of intolerance, then?

By their own argument, they are okay with being punched.

Some people are into that sort of thing. Bit kinky, but each to their own.

[Dezerte]

So, you're preaching intolerance of intolerance, then?

I'm not advocating violence, but tolerance of intolerance would be self-defeating.

[ohwell]

I see Nazis driving cars into crowds, yet to see "anti-fascists" kill anyone.

A slightly different angle of their attacks(physically) and they easily could have just as the guy in Charlottesville could have easily not killed anyone if his car was at a different angle. Assaulting people in the skull can EASILY lead to death and they've done it on numerous occasions. People have died from sudden punches CONSTANTLY in the country much less the knife attacks they've done to people's legs which also can. Claiming that they haven't yet is just as bad as saying the Nazis in Germany weren't a problem when they were rounding up people into ghettos. Antifa has done more violence this past year overall and they're just lucky nobody died. It's ridiculous to even say because someone died from the car situation that it somehow makes it different than antifa assaulting people in similar ways that can in fact easily lead to death. Hitting someone in the head with a bike lock is attempted murder.

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By their own argument, they are okay with being punched.

Some people are into that sort of thing. Bit kinky, but each to their own.

Idk infractions got thrown to anyone advocating punching Edge the moderator because they were saying "anyone with intolerant views should be assaulted" and as such obviously should have been assaulted by her own views.