Battlegrounds ?

[MMKing]

There's a ilvl difference of two between Spinal Reaper and High Warlord's/Grand Marshal's Battle Axe. This is before we even mention that despite having a lower ilvl, having at least one Nightfall in the raid does far, far more than a R14 weapon ever could.

It happens that the R14 weapons have a far greater stat distribution than the Spinal Reaper in this specific example, but the overarching point is that fundamentally the gap between the two isn't as huge as you're making it out to be. Especially when you consider that a vast majority of a server will never reach R14. Depending on overall population and participation you might not even see more than 10 players achieve it in total.

Ranting aside, open world PvP is a complete clusterfuck. Especially if your server pop is uneven. BG's should either be implemented from the get go, or at a specified planned point in time not too long after release.

Rank 14 items were updated with the Blackwing lair patch.

1h weapons went from having roughly 49.5dps, which was slightly lower than molten core 1h weapons to having roughly 59.5dps. Which is again, slightly lower than the best BWL 1h weapons.

It's really a non-issue. Aside from a few pieces, spread over a 40 man raid. The Epic pvp gear is not all that suited for PVE. It has too much stamina, and the set bonuses are more pvp oriented.

[Independent voter]

Just world PVP at first. I think battlegrounds were introduced at patch 1.5. We'll start at 1.1

[BicycleMafioso]

BGs added later, no battlemasters, no honour system initially.

First get honour system, then BGs. World PvP will take a hit, but thankfully you can just wipe them out at the BG-entrances.

[Daffan]

The issue is the gear and content gating. Full r14 gear in MC would not be a good thing.

Judging from these forums most ppl don't care if its 1.12.1 and MC/BWL/ZG blows up in 24 hours. lol

[Regalbeast]

I LOVED going to the battlemaster to queue. Seriously fun.

[pateuvasiliu]

Queued BGs honestly. Having to run to Orgrimmar is such shittery, then you're stuck AFKing while waiting for queue. Let me go to EPL to do my quests or whatever and queue for PvP while at it.

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BGs added later, no battlemasters, no honour system initially.

First get honour system, then BGs. World PvP will take a hit, but thankfully you can just wipe them out at the BG-entrances.

You clearly haven't seen Blackrock mountain on raid night.

[BicycleMafioso]

You clearly haven't seen Blackrock mountain on raid night.

While my alliance warlock (r14) thankfully was on a pve server, both my nelf-hunter (r9) and ud-rogue (r8) each probably got in excess of 1k HKs purely from sniping out targets while sitting in stealth. (not fewer because I really enjoyed it, not more because I quite quickly started a new character and lost interest in the old)
I would hardly call it wpvp to be sitting there ganking people, however.

[pateuvasiliu]

While my alliance warlock (r14) thankfully was on a pve server, both my nelf-hunter (r9) and ud-rogue (r8) each probably got in excess of 1k HKs purely from sniping out targets while sitting in stealth. (not fewer because I really enjoyed it, not more because I quite quickly started a new character and lost interest in the old)
I would hardly call it wpvp to be sitting there ganking people, however.

I'm talking about 50+ vs 50+ guild on guild PvP, not some lame rogue killing people in greens.

[Hottage]

It should have BGs, but no battlemasters. players should have to run to the entrance of the battleground they want to play!

It should have BGs, but no battlemasters. players should have to run to the entrance of the battleground they want to play!

Exactly this and only this!

Except Battlemasters were introduced in patch 1.6.0, aren't we going for the authentic vanilla experience anymore?

[BicycleMafioso]

I'm talking about 50+ vs 50+ guild on guild PvP, not some lame rogue killing people in greens.

Aw, are we a bit upset that we got killed by Rogues? The entire myth that there were ever people in greens anywhere (let alone BGs) out there to be readily killed is one I've never believed.


Guild BrM brawls? Never saw that. 20+ people killing droves of 4 going for MC, sure, but bigger than that no.

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Except Battlemasters were introduced in patch 1.6.0, aren't we going for the authentic vanilla experience anymore?

When in vanilla? There's vanilla and there's vanilla. I preferred the instance portal way. I always missed the instance portal within the BG speaking of which.

[Hottage]

When in vanilla? There's vanilla and there's vanilla. I preferred the instance portal way. I always missed the instance portal within the BG speaking of which.

So you're willing to forgo all post-1.5 content if it means you get to AFK outside the battleground portals?

[BicycleMafioso]

So you're willing to forgo all post-1.5 content if it means you get to AFK outside the battleground portals?

Nowhere did I say this. I am just questioning the archaic mindset that some people throw around, akin to "since it was in vanilla at some point, it's a given".

I had more fun with instanced portals and duels, spontaneous crossroads/astranaar raids than I did with afking/jumping around in orgrimmar/ironforge.

I honestly don't expect a set patch for them to release in either. I am expecting them to make a build that is not quite 1.1, not quite 1.10 so to speak.

Either way. If we do get launched into an earlier patch, it I'll likely cycle upward.

To answer your actual question, no, not with that as the sole deciding factor.
But like I said earlier, pre-honour patch.

[evogsr]

We had 1,5 year without BGs, and like I said many people remember vanilla without BGs more than with BGs (because of how you had to queue and the sometime insane queue time)

Vanilla is not a fixed thing, that's why the internet is at war about what should be in classic.

Your timeline of when BG's were added is so far off. WoW out end of November 2004. WSG & AV were added in June of 2005 / patch 1.5.0. AB was released in patch 1.7.0 September of 2005.

All of vanilla's BGs were in the game within 10 months of release.

[BuckSparkles]

BG's with battlemasters with BG rewards at BG entrances would be fine for me. Still plenty of world PVP around.

[A dot Ham]

Battlegrounds were added in Vanilla, you had to walk to an NPC to que for them. And that's exactly how it should be.

Battlemasters were also added in Vanilla, and you only had to walk to the PvP area/vendors in your main city to queue for your respective BG... selective memory.

[Slashnox]

Battlemasters were also added in Vanilla, and you only had to walk to the PvP area/vendors in your main city to queue for your respective BG... selective memory.

Wut? The NPC you had to walk to is the battlemaster. I simplified it.

[Ealyssa]

Wut? The NPC you had to walk to is the battlemaster. I simplified it.

You had battlemasters in the capital cities at the end of vanilla, that's what he meant.

[In Ogres We Trust]

Moving to the instance is the only option.

[Gref]

Move to the entrance. And enjoy your 48 hours AV. Seriously there were AV which I played on Friday and left and rejoined again on Saturday. Best times.

[Armourboy]

All 3? I like the idea of starting without them tbh