- DK's happy with blood and frost sets; can't speak to tuning on frost but %damage increase is welcome.
- BrM monk is disappointed this will go live, doesn't want to spam fire breath, and will mostly ignore tier 21.
- VDH is excited about wrecking some M+ in fel hulk (almost) always on mode.
- Prot Pally welcomes some extra block but worries it won't be enough if we face another KJ.
- Warrior thinks meh and has another beer. :D
"I Am Vengeance. I Am The Night. I Am Felfáádaern!"
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sle=true#gid=0
Pre hotfix though. Assuming their target is 7-8% a lot of them are pretty close.
And you will pick t21 anyways.
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Last edited by Banard; 2017-11-23 at 05:30 PM.
That's why set bonuses are better than some quick sims show. New set bonuses often favor different talents and legendaries, different stat weights (e.g. adding a new bis trait shifted my haste breakpoints so i gained 1.5k dps by shifting 400 mastery into haste). And ultimately they might change your rotation.
We had wrong APLs that showed talents to be weaker than they were. Perhaps a new set bonus is 5% gain, but you can gain another 4% by changing legendaries/gems/gear/talents.
Many people tend to cry too much and too early.
Thats not a T21 issue. They shouldnt make t21 overpowered because t20 is overpowered and t21 weak if t20 is weak.
They made a lot of mistakes back in t20. Fixing t20/t19 for windwalkers was a very good thing.
Balance t21, if necessary nerf t20 and if necessary buff specs that didnt overperform despite of op set bonuses (like windwalkers).
Many specs with op t20 overperformed anyways.
Last edited by mmoc4ec7d51a68; 2017-11-24 at 09:06 AM.
Yes you do need to compare somewhat. If I go +15 ilvl in each slot in pure stats and I still get a 4.5% downgrade, the tier is shit.
It's not even that T20 is OP for BM, which it isn't. It's about T21 being so abysmal in value. For Killer Cobra build, you are comparing 15% KC damage(and cobra-shot) from T20 vs. 10% KC damage from T21. T20 is much stronger because most of your damage happens during BW phases where T20 not only boosts KC damage(by a fuck ton more due to 2p+4p interaction) and also Cobra shot damage. Meanwhile T21 you get 10% KC dmg and if you are lucky you get 1 extra AotW during a fight. Just because 4pc has CDR for AotW, doesn't mean it's good if you can never get an extra use out of it.
Also set bonuses are supposed to be 7-9% according to Blizzard's statement(they said this at some point before Tomb release IIRC).
Well about bm hunters i read that you also need to change talents/gear, probably apl too. So picking t20 setup and ewuipping t21 and saying "t21 is weak" is pointless.
There has to be a reason why the spreadsheet showed t21 at nearly 10% increase and why blizzard nerfed 4pt21. I am no bm hunter so i cant tell you why.
When i am home i can sim stuff. But for now i cant do it.
Last edited by mmoc4ec7d51a68; 2017-11-24 at 09:18 AM.
And neither is Blizzard(or the people who made the spreadsheet). Many many people have simmed this, before and after this joke of a nerf, T21 is bad.
There is no mathematical way that 2pc can be valued at 3.7% because assuming correct play you can't get to Kill Command being 37% of your damage. Same goes for 4pc, 1 extra usage per fight does not equate to 6% DPS.
Maybe, maybe not. I have seen too many players exagerate.
http://simulationcraft.org/reports/T21_Raid.html
Look at BM Hunter, kill command is listed at 37.5%.
Last edited by mmoc4ec7d51a68; 2017-11-24 at 10:28 AM.