Worried about Rogue in T21

[NtflxnChill]

blizz needs to fix rogue dps asap.. otherwise no one will be bringing rogues given how little you have to soak in antorus

Nothing wrong with it, Outlaw meta.

[Twix]

Nothing wrong with it, Outlaw meta.

outlaw is still shit compared to other specs.. plus how the fuck do you make the shittiest spec the meta at the end of xpac when most serious players invested all their time into sub/sin

[Tusq]

outlaw is still shit compared to other specs.. plus how the fuck do you make the shittiest spec the meta at the end of xpac when most serious players invested all their time into sub/sin

All serious players has all leggos now though.

[NtflxnChill]

outlaw is still shit compared to other specs.. plus how the fuck do you make the shittiest spec the meta at the end of xpac when most serious players invested all their time into sub/sin

It's there with the middle of the pack, that's not shit.

[Pigglix]

So with current tuning, t21 for outlaw will be RtB > SnD? because as of now with 936 ilvl, going rtb is 100k+ dps loss from snd with t20

[NtflxnChill]

RtB with mantle/bracer is the way to go, at least based on the latest theorycrafting, still hoping for boots/sephuz meta

[MisterBigglez]

So with current tuning, t21 for outlaw will be RtB > SnD? because as of now with 936 ilvl, going rtb is 100k+ dps loss from snd with t20

SnD might pull ahead when everyone starts getting the pantheon trink. I hope this is the case. Only time will tell, weve still got tuning to come in the next couple weeks.

[Keiste]

Sims don't always tell how a spec will perform in a tier, as certain fights favor some specs more than others. But this sim chart does show just how poor rogue scaling has been in Legion. Our secondary stat scaling is piss-poor compared to other classes and I really hope blizz addresses haste for rogues in BfA or at least add agi back on Jewlery.

As a DH, I agree and I'll stick with you guys if its rough

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outlaw is still shit compared to other specs.. plus how the fuck do you make the shittiest spec the meta at the end of xpac when most serious players invested all their time into sub/sin

Because its really cool! I really enjoy the fantasy of Outlaw, its just unfortunate that their dmg is so rng based

[TheRogue]

Sub LUL

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...YEs/edit#gid=0

[jtstormrage]

I hate playing Sub this expansion. I really hope Assassin is top damage in the next raid.

[Twix]

I hate playing Sub this expansion. I really hope Assassin is top damage in the next raid.

waaat? sin is booooring.. sub is so much fun

[Deleted]

I hate playing Sub this expansion. I really hope Assassin is top damage in the next raid.

Not going to happen.

[Deleted]

I dont see a scaling issue for sub. It is just the shitty set bonus... if set bonus was 8% like for most specs, sims would be close to current t20 sims.

[TheRogue]

when 2pc T20/2pc T21 sims within <1% of T20 2pc/T21 4pc - you know the set bonus is hot garbage

[Deleted]

when 2pc T20/2pc T21 sims within <1% of T20 2pc/T21 4pc - you know the set bonus is hot garbage

Yes, sir ! You are right this is pretty bad and sad for us. Assassination needs some help these days.

[Xanatu]

We can stop freaking out.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=95

Not great by any means but we aren't garbage. It's pretty balanced thus far. I will say that there was not a fight where I felt like rogue really did anything special, which a lot of classes did seem to have. There's no Mistress this tier for us to shine on, at least from heroic experience.

[Twix]

We can stop freaking out.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=95

Not great by any means but we aren't garbage. It's pretty balanced thus far. I will say that there was not a fight where I felt like rogue really did anything special, which a lot of classes did seem to have. There's no Mistress this tier for us to shine on, at least from heroic experience.

wait until people start getting geared.. 4pc and higher ilvl then we will see sub at the bottom

[Varolyn]

Yes, sir ! You are right this is pretty bad and sad for us. Assassination needs some help these days.

I think he was talking about the sub set bonuses, but yeah, assassination needs a buff. Tbh the current set bonus is still decent for assassin even after the nerf to it, the problem is that the spec is too weak baseline.

[Slim Charles]

We can stop freaking out.

How is that disproving the sims? Sims show us T21 gear, which we don't have day 1 or even week 1.

[Seliar]

We can stop freaking out.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=95

Not great by any means but we aren't garbage. It's pretty balanced thus far. I will say that there was not a fight where I felt like rogue really did anything special, which a lot of classes did seem to have. There's no Mistress this tier for us to shine on, at least from heroic experience.

What did you expect for the first week when the majority of the players are in the same gear as the last week? This proves nothing...