German pro-refugee mayor Andreas Hollstein stabbed

[Flarelaine]

I see many here who complain abut the stabbing just a while ago cheered n defended antifa when they bashed peoples heads in..

I have such a short memory, could you link quotes?

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You're basically arguing semantics.

Communism is the end goal of Socialism, Stalinism was a state method of Socialism. Nazism is simply the emulation of German National Socialists. National Socialism is still just Socialism.

They're all Socialist, they're all born from the same violence.

Bananas are orangatangs, welshmen are marsupials, donkeys are ticket inspectors. Hibbable wibbles make tribbable gibbles.

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And you are closer to being a national socialist than you want to realize. Your nationalistic tendencies are clearly authoritarian in nature, which puts you right next to those other systems.

Oh boy, Are you barking up the wrong tree. I am a "Meme tier" Classical liberal my friend; A strong Democracy should lead a Strong Government, and Social laws and rights must be clear and enforced for the good of the people and the representatives are elected for such.

While yes, I am left wing as fuck, I draw zero comparisons with Continental stupidity like socialism. I'm not German or French.

[Machismo]

It's outright outstanding how the Anarchist filter in Libertarians works.

Company makes List of known people I dislike = Good.

Government makes List of known people I dislike = Violence.


Just admit you're an Anti-Government dumbass who knows fuck all about Government process and we can end this Charade of a discussion. All you've done is made Strawmen and tried to insult my person.

You don't even know the definitions of words, try again.

You seem to think you are "winning" this discussion, when you have been shown to be full of shit, lying, and not know the simple definitions of some words. Not only that, you continue to capitalize words for no real purpose. I do adore how you now want to try and play the victim card, after trying to call me a socialist, closet communist, anarchist, and an anarcho-capitalist.

Feel free to retract your bullshit claims whenever you like.

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Bananas are orangatangs, welshmen are marsupials, donkeys are ticket inspectors. Hibbable wibbles make tribbable gibbles.

All Orangutans are Primates, but not all Primates are Orangutans. You're just trying to hide the fact that Stalinism and Nazism are just Socialist branches.

[Kalis]

You seem to be having some sort of meltdown.

Words mean things. I cannot decide that dandruff means tennis ball because I am angry and prejudiced.

No words in my post were used in a way that a typical British person would struggle with.

Out of curiosity, why did you deliberately leave off the part of my post where I called out your extremism? You have openly espoused extremist views, it is not a secret.

[Deleted]

You don't even know the definitions of words, try again.

You seem to think you are "winning" this discussion, when you have been shown to be full of shit, lying, and not know the simple definitions of some words. Not only that, you continue to capitalize words for no real purpose. I do adore how you now want to try and play the victim card, after trying to call me a socialist, closet communist, anarchist, and an anarcho-capitalist.

Feel free to retract your bullshit claims whenever you like.

I think you're all of those because they're basically the same thing, You just hate Democracy because it represents the Social Contract in solid form, you wish for the Social contract to be nebulous so you can define it how you like.

[Machismo]

Oh boy, Are you barking up the wrong tree. I am a "Meme tier" Classical liberal my friend; A strong Democracy should lead a Strong Government, and Social laws and rights must be clear and enforced for the good of the people and the representatives are elected for such.

While yes, I am left wing as fuck, I draw zero comparisons with Continental stupidity like socialism. I'm not German or French.

Yeah, I'm not buying it in the slightest. You've placed me all over the political spectrum, so it's clear you don't really know what the hell is going on.

But hey, at least you chose to nation bash at the end there... good on you.

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I think you're all of those because they're basically the same thing, You just hate Democracy because it represents the Social Contract in solid form, you wish for the Social contract to be nebulous so you can define it how you like.

How the hell is a socialist and a closet communist basically the same as an anarcho-capitalist?

I hate authoritarianism, and people who wish to take away the freedoms of innocent people. I hate those who wish to stifle the speech of others, because they don't like what is being said. I hate people who choose to resort to political violence, or who want to use the government to do everything for them.

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As a fellow east european. Im pretty sure West Europe gonna be in 30years+ a shit show with civil war. Mankind never learns.

[Machismo]

As a fellow east european. Im pretty sure West Europe gonna be in 30years+ a shit show with civil war. Mankind never learns.

Western Europe seems to be doing just fine, thanks.

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Yeah, I'm not buying it in the slightest. You've placed me all over the political spectrum, so it's clear you don't really know what the hell is going on.

But hey, at least you chose to nation bash at the end there... good on you.

I can't think of a single thing I have said which wouldn't peg me as a Classical liberal really. I'm pro-fair government, Pro-people's rights. I think the government's job is to provide for the citizens. I'm not above calling out the issues in Government, but I do not want to Abolish or weaken it.

Pretty standard stuff really, I quite like Democracy.

[Machismo]

I can't think of a single thing I have said which wouldn't peg me as a Classical liberal really. I'm pro-fair government, Pro-people's rights. I think the government's job is to provide for the citizens. I'm not above calling out the issues in Government, but I do not want to Abolish or weaken it.

Pretty standard stuff really, I quite like Democracy.

That sounds a lot like the socialist polices of places like France and Germany.

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As a fellow east european. Im pretty sure West Europe gonna be in 30years+ a shit show with civil war. Mankind never learns.

With the current Automation breakthrough a decade away at the most, Yep, all those low skilled Immigrants would seem like a very poor investment when all the native low skilled workers have also been made redundant.

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That sounds a lot like the socialist polices of places like France and Germany.

Welcome to not understanding how Socialism works then. Socialism hinges on the "Revolution" to happen.

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Those 15% increased statistics on rapes were caused by the refugees. So while not all refugees are horrible, all of those people who did that horrible crime WERE refugees.

just for the record, an absolute or a cumulative increase of 15% ? like assuming zero refugees we had 1% of women raped, now with refugees 16% of women in a country get raped ? or do you mean before the refugee crisis we had let's say (number is just for ease of use) 100k rapes, and now we have 115k rapes a year ?

Because if your argument is the first i'd really like to meet all this poor women and hear theire story, shouldn't be hard to find a million of them if your chance to be raped in a given year is 15%+

IF however your argument was meant as the second kind, i.e. 15% more rapes then before (which has a way better chance of being realistic) then what does this mean in practice ? 1k extra rapes ? 10k ? how many rapes a year are there in england ? who was raped ? (i ask this cause the general anti refugee argument is obviously that they are hurting natives, if every "refugee" would rape his own refugee wive 20 times a week rape rates would skyrocked, but the effect on the natives would be zero)

Besides, taking the realistically possible kind of statistic, that we had a 15% cumulative increase that would still mean that natives commit rape nearly 10 times as often, now you are free to tell me that there live 50 times as many natives as refugees, which would end up that per capita refugees are 5 times more likely to commit rape, this still ignores

1) the question how many percentage of refugees are actually rapists, is it 1? 5? 20? and
2)directly contradicts your own statement that " all of those people who did that horrible crime WERE refugees.", unless you want to tell us that the rate of rape in the uk was close to zero percent 2 years ago and is now 15%+

[Deleted]

No words in my post were used in a way that a typical British person would struggle with.

Out of curiosity, why did you deliberately leave off the part of my post where I called out your extremism? You have openly espoused extremist views, it is not a secret.

Because it is too ridiculous a claim to bother answering. I voted for a party with a leader who is opposed to all non-defensive wars on long-standing principle, you are a tory pro-militarist. In fact Corbyn was much criticized at the last general election by members of your party for apparently not wanting to kill millions of people in a nuclear strike.

The entire basis of your "extremism" claims comes down to the fact that I advocate self-defense when armed nazis march through a town and kill someone. Presumably you think Winston Churchill was an extremist too. He wanted to poison nazis with mustard gas, not send students to poke them with tiny sticks.

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Besides, taking the realistically possible kind of statistic, that we had a 15% cumulative increase that would still mean that natives commit rape nearly 10 times as often, now you are free to tell me that there live 50 times as many natives as refugees, which would end up that per capita refugees are 5 times more likely to commit rape, this still ignores

I think I might as well cut this out and just laugh at this. You're defending an influx of rapists from a smaller group of people compared to the native populace simply by going "OH LOOK BUT THE BIGGER GROUP HAS MORE.

Thank you for not understanding statistics Soyboy.

[Ravenblade]

Those 15% increased statistics on rapes were caused by the refugees. So while not all refugees are horrible, all of those people who did that horrible crime WERE refugees.

Source? The only statistics I know is that immigrants (which does include refugees but not exclude anyone else from outside Germany) cause 7.2% more crimes and 14.9% of all sexuality-related crimes do have a foreign background. There is in fact no official statistics that prove that refugees commit more crimes than anyone else, what people are usually doing is applying false sense of intepretation of statistics or quoting out of context. When it gets translated a lot more context is lost as well, often by intent. What is often overlooked is that nobody is trying to embellish statistics but nobody wants to start demonizing groups. I get that immigrant clans living here since decades do cause problems and that is founded in statistics but statistics on refugees themselves are not up-to-date or indepth. Currently there is also another issue working against it, more and more is done towards integration including sexuality-related cultural values. This is one of the greatest fears that people have too, on one hand they want integration on the other hand they don't because that would negate the prejudices they may have against them, the quicker the latter appears the more difficult it is to consistently raise a case against them.

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Because it is too ridiculous a claim to bother answering. I voted for a party with a leader who is opposed to all non-defensive wars on long-standing principle, you are a tory pro-militarist. In fact Corbyn was much criticized at the last general election by members of your party for apparently not wanting to kill millions of people in a nuclear strike.

The entire basis of your "extremism" claims comes down to the fact that I advocate self-defense when armed nazis march through a town and kill someone. Presumably you think Winston Churchill was a nazi too.

And yet Corbyn supported Irish Terrorism, Fidel Castro, the current situation in Venuzula and of course, his own party being violent to center-leftists and Jews.

So again, Corbyn is not a pacifist, just Anti-Military.

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Source? The only statistics I know is that immigrants (which does include refugees but not exclude anyone else from outside Germany) cause 7.2% more crimes and 14.9% of all sexuality-related crimes do have a foreign background.

You know, I won't report you if you correctly stated foreign as "Muslim and Eastern European"

[Machismo]

With the current Automation breakthrough a decade away at the most, Yep, all those low skilled Immigrants would seem like a very poor investment when all the native low skilled workers have also been made redundant.

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Welcome to not understanding how Socialism works then. Socialism hinges on the "Revolution" to happen.

No, it really doesn't. Socialism can be as simply as a subtle shift from a capitalistic free market, to a social democracy, and can even be as extreme as communism. It could be as simply as enacting small pieces of legislation in a democracy over hundreds, even thousands of years.

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No, it really doesn't. Socialism can be as simply as a subtle shift from a capitalistic free market, to a social democracy, and can even be as extreme as communism. It could be as simply as enacting small pieces of legislation in a democracy over hundreds, even thousands of years.

Literally not what Socialism is though, Try again.

noun

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More

policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More

(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.


None of these promote Democracy through the Government.