Are lootboxes gambling & should games be regulated. BF2 and OW under investigation

[Elim Garak]

It depends what he died of, where he got the candy, when he ate it, and a whole lot more.

No, it really doesn't.

it's clear that he died of eating too much sugar from the candy. Or he is allergic to something in the candy, or whatever, but it's the candy. It's not poisonous, not Chinese lead flavored. It's a good quality candy. And it's the amount of it that killed the kid.

What you are doing is trying to change the narrative because you disagree with the answer.

You're oversimplifying.

Not as much as the video about a kid who spent $13k on mt.

There's a reason, for example, bars are held liable if they continue to serve to obviously drunk patrons who then go out and crash their cars into pedestrians.

And that's idiotic, clearly the fault is solely on the drunk. How can a bar even know if he's driving? Should they ask? What if the guy says no?

Sure, the driver is ultimately at fault for driving drunk, but the bar also has a legal responsibility not to get people who are driving home blackout drunk. The same goes for things like company/family parties, you leave a family party where you drank and get in a wreck and the host can be held liable.

As idiotic as the bar.

[Yunru]

More propaganda stuff from take2:

[Dhrizzle]

More propaganda stuff from take2:

I guess it's nice for youTubers, plenty of outrage clicks to harvest. Do you have a summary or link that isn't 10 minutes of waffling?

[dope_danny]

I guess it's nice for youTubers, plenty of outrage clicks to harvest. Do you have a summary or link that isn't 10 minutes of waffling?

GTA V made millions from gta online replacing minecraft as the screamer streamer b8 for young kids. So no single player story dlc happened and its all 'funpay minibuys' thats making insane money from kids that dont know any better. Now they confirmed red dead redemption 2 is going full battlefront 2 with the excuse "we dont force you and the first taste is free".

Because when you fall back on the defence of a drug dealer that sells outside a school thats how you know you are the good guy!

[stellvia]

If you think labels are going to help go for it. Personally I don't see it doing anything. Good parents will look into more than just checking the box for warning labels. Shitty parents won't look either way.

The point is, right now most parents don't know these predatory and deceptive tactics are being used and abused in console/AAA games. They probably have some knowledge its common in mobile games, but that the exact same F2P economy is now showing up in full-priced games probably isn't something they know. Having to clearly mark on the outside or loading screen of a game that it contains gambling or gambling-like "gameplay" along with charges beyond the initial price would be a fair compromise. I would even say they should be marked 18+ or have the gambling-like portions opt-in where you have to agree to being 18+ for that portion and then they could keep the game rated Teen or w/e instead.

Besides the fact that the greed and avarice this enables means its basically taking over all major game publishers thereby ruining games and poisoning market trends. They don't care if the market wants singleplayer games like KOTOR or The Witcher anymore: They're going to use oligopoly to force all games from major publishers to be infected with this bullshit. Do you honestly want to have to deal with lootbox shenanigans in all games from now on instead of just playing a well-made game? They add nothing worthwhile to a game, and most of whats hidden in them was part of the full price of the game in years past.

[Chinese Bootlickers]

GTA V made millions from gta online replacing minecraft as the screamer streamer b8 for young kids. So no single player story dlc happened and its all 'funpay minibuys' thats making insane money from kids that dont know any better. Now they confirmed red dead redemption 2 is going full battlefront 2 with the excuse "we dont force you and the first taste is free".

Because when you fall back on the defence of a drug dealer that sells outside a school thats how you know you are the good guy!

Not to mention they stopped adding the update cars/weapons to single player after the heists update, so no more testing in single player, gotta go headfirst into buying that new 2-5 million car to see if it sucks or not, after getting past the usually million dollar paygate to get to them.

[Keile]

Not to mention they stopped adding the update cars/weapons to single player after the heists update, so no more testing in single player, gotta go headfirst into buying that new 2-5 million car to see if it sucks or not, after getting past the usually million dollar paygate to get to them.

Yeah, kinda irritated me that they made all that stuff online only. Would be nice if they had added a lot of that stuff to single player for those of us who don't want the chaos of GTA Online.

[Chinese Bootlickers]

Yeah, kinda irritated me that they made all that stuff online only. Would be nice if they had added a lot of that stuff to single player for those of us who don't want the chaos of GTA Online.

Yeah, I quit after I got camped by a pack of kids on flying, rocket flinging bikes.

[kail]

It's shit practice within the game industry but it's not gambling. It's no more gambling than blind bag toys, those wonderball candies, or a pack of TCGs. What constitutes as legal gambling usually entails w/e involves chance and a reward of monetary value.

[dope_danny]

Yeah, I quit after I got camped by a pack of kids on flying, rocket flinging bikes.

and arent you excited for that complete fucking horseshit to show in RDR2?!?

ARENT YOU PREORDERING RIGHT NOW?!?

[segara82]

The problem in this discussion some seem to have is the word 'gambling' and it's various definitions.
The crux of the matter however is that the design of the lootboxes is as close as they can to real-world slot machines, with the sounds, flashes, lightning, bells and whistles ....
And just 5 minutes of research (either off or online) will show you that these are designed to keep players glued to them, addicted to them.
Companies try to get childen, young and grown adults addicted to their version of slotmachines. They even change the designes of full-priced games so that they can install their slotmachines there.

So let's treat them as the slotmachines they are.

What is the legal age in your country for slotmachines?

[Yunru]

The problem in this discussion some seem to have is the word 'gambling' and it's various definitions.
The crux of the matter however is that the design of the lootboxes is as close as they can to real-world slot machines, with the sounds, flashes, lightning, bells and whistles ....
And just 5 minutes of research (either off or online) will show you that these are designed to keep players glued to them, addicted to them.
Companies try to get childen, young and grown adults addicted to their version of slotmachines. They even change the designes of full-priced games so that they can install their slotmachines there.

So let's treat them as the slotmachines they are.

What is the legal age in your country for slotmachines?

This is a problem: Increased gambling, increased denial
https://www.focusonthefamily.ca/cont...ulsive-gambler

[Orange Joe]

The problem in this discussion some seem to have is the word 'gambling' and it's various definitions.
The crux of the matter however is that the design of the lootboxes is as close as they can to real-world slot machines, with the sounds, flashes, lightning, bells and whistles ....
And just 5 minutes of research (either off or online) will show you that these are designed to keep players glued to them, addicted to them.
Companies try to get childen, young and grown adults addicted to their version of slotmachines. They even change the designes of full-priced games so that they can install their slotmachines there.

So let's treat them as the slotmachines they are.

What is the legal age in your country for slotmachines?

Again you should really look into marketing in general. As I said before. Anyone that is trying to sell you anything is trying to take advantage of you any way they can.


Depends on where said slot machine is located and on whether or not it has a cash prize.

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This is a problem: Increased gambling, increased denial
https://www.focusonthefamily.ca/cont...ulsive-gambler

Oh dam. So now I'm a compulsive gambler? Knew I should have gone back to the casino after my first and only time of winning $60 at 18. I also should be spending all of my check instead of buying lootboxes 1-2 times a year.


Thank you for showing me I was wrong.......



/s

[Yunru]

Again you should really look into marketing in general. As I said before. Anyone that is trying to sell you anything is trying to take advantage of you any way they can.


Depends on where said slot machine is located and on whether or not it has a cash prize.

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Oh dam. So now I'm a compulsive gambler? Knew I should have gone back to the casino after my first and only time of winning $60 at 18. I also should be spending all of my check instead of buying lootboxes 1-2 times a year.


Thank you for showing me I was wrong.......

/s

You should totaly go see a group meetings and a advisor.

Something interesting:

[segara82]

[QUOTE=Orange Joe;48250687]Again you should really look into marketing in general. As I said before. Anyone that is trying to sell you anything is trying to take advantage of you any way they can.

Depends on where said slot machine is located and on whether or not it has a cash prize.
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[/QUOTE=Orange Joe]

Yes, and there are legal limits to what advertising is allowed to do, and the slot machines and their placement. And now lootboxes are about to get their legal limits looked at and redefined.

[Coolit]

Chris Lee has just released an update video, seems draft bills are already being worked on, this isn't just going to blow over

[Yunru]

I wonder when they will re-enable lootboxes.

[Coldkil]

I wonder when they will re-enable lootboxes.

Once the datamined customization system is fully implemented and you can buy lootboxes with only cosmetics into them. Which will be an ever worse loss since the issue is lootboxes as a system, and this way they think they can (and likely will) get away with it.

[Jtbrig7390]

(Some updates are in the video)

[Dhrizzle]

I get that youTubers want to cash in on the controversy and fans want to promote them, but can no-one leave a summary instead of just spamming videos for those of us who don't want to sit through all the waffle?