China's military rise erodes American leadership in Asia

[Deleted]

Why are people acting so suprised??. Look who makes most of the stuff in the world, its China, it has nothing to do with trump, it doesnt mean America is weak. People just dont see the reality and are blind. China has the best factories in the world and they make things cheaper than anyone else so alot of countries/businesses invest in china so their increasing wealth allows them to build up their military. They also have insane population so economy growth is growing at rapid pace.

America is still a military world superpower but in the future it will be China, its not a question of "If" but "When".

[ParanoiD84]

Here comes the time where you need courage and gall, I live in a country where our "Seoul" could have been leveled countless times in past and instead of cowering behind walls, what the country did is exactly that - took a hit, but removed the danger permanently, because it's better to set things straight rather than live in fear forever.

In case of North Korea, SK and US literally ran out of time to fuck around, either they deal with it now or accept the fact that NK made a laughing stock out of US "domination" and move on, while SK will forever live in fear of the future.

And as a side note, while I generally view Obama positively, but he fucked up with NK BIG time by giving them the time they needed to snowball into the menace they are now. The whole situation is his doing, basically and now he left that idiot Trump to try and fix this mess in-between his moronic tweets ridiculing and alienating US allies.

Good points, i do agree they should have dealt with NK long ago.

[Deleted]

Why there should be such a thing as "American leadership in Asia" is beyond me. The US isn't in Asia. Also, what "leadership"? Trump?!

[Zephyr Storm]

why should a peaceful country with a completely defensive army (understand what the JSDF is) spend more money because their allies fear they will lose economically? This is the same bullshit that goes down in the NATO right now. Why should europe increase it's spending on military? ah yes I know! the US have financial problems and hope for increased revenue through weapon deals. The USA should take care of their own problems (yes NK is an american problem) not annoy their allies with their problems.

So you're saying America SHOULD meddle more in the world's affairs and keep intervening into other regions instead of allowing countries in those regions to take care of shit themselves?

Wow. The rest of the world is so fucking bipolar. One minute they want the USA to leave everyone alone. And the next they want America to take care of everything for them. So which is it gonna be? Because you can't have your fucking cake and eat it too.

[Strawberry]

Lol, what? That's exactly what I was saying. Leave Asia to Asia. Hence why I said countries like South Korea and Japan need to step it up and take care of shit in their own region instead of always wanting America to do it for them.

Can you even read? Or are you just the world's worst troll?

I'm reading between the lines. There's no need for USA to get involved at all. USA presence in South Korea is destabilizing the area more than North Korea is.
USA need to understand that their are just aggravatting countries, countries that have lately grown in power. The reason why so many countries are resisting is because they are not willing to deal with USA policing the world anymore.
I am quite sure that if the world let North Korea become a nuclear nation, it would just become that - a nuclear nation. Not a country that would fire nukes upon the world.
The current situation is just fucked up and not resolvable, it's just making things worse. You see, North Korea will become a nuclear nation one way or another, but USA is aggravatting its leaders and it's destabilizing the area. North Korea won't stop because they know China won't allow USA or South Korea to do something about it. And the reason for this is simple. China wants North Korea just the way it is, under their control and allied forces kept away from China's borders.
And USA won't do anything about it because China will rather invade North Korea first than let anyone else, and China is backed by Russia.
Meanwhile, North Korean government is not stupid, they know that if they do attack another country is when they will lose support from both China and Russia and are pretty much fucked. If they actually had ill intent Seoul would've been in flames long ago. Instead they are just firing empty threats.

This is one of those problems which can solve themselves, if just let be.

[Deleted]

The Chinese people have always had it rough.

If it wasn't foreigners doing them in, it was their own elites oppressing them.

The UK treated China extremely nicely when China decided they didn't want us to sell them opium any more.

[Mittens]

why should a peaceful country with a completely defensive army (understand what the JSDF is) spend more money because their allies fear they will lose economically? This is the same bullshit that goes down in the NATO right now. Why should europe increase it's spending on military? ah yes I know! the US have financial problems and hope for increased revenue through weapon deals. The USA should take care of their own problems (yes NK is an american problem) not annoy their allies with their problems.

NK is a problem for the entire region. Not only America.

[Jaransan]

I feel like theres a misconception on both sides of the america minding its own business debate here.

On the one hand its not 'bipolar' or 'sudden' that many want the united states to mind its own territory and bugger off - its been a long standing thing for ages now. Unfortunately as military superpowers tend to, the united states has historically dumped military bases in other countries and waged whole campaigns for economic reasons (off the top of my head I believe if you do some digging you'll find vietnam for instance was heavily influenced by business interests in the region). If voices are louder on the topic now its probably just because people have settled enough to feel they can get away with the request without suffering reprecussions from a military superpower. Its not THAT different from Chinas choice to negotiate while its army looms in the background.

Other hand. People pissing about america minding its own business should look at reality and accept that even though the US is absolutely wrong/domineering to have spread its army into so many places for its own interests - the situation has progressed to the point where The United States assisstance isnt optional anymore. Its an inextricable part of the way the status quo works presently and most sane people in a nuclear empowered world LIKE the status quo.

Face it, if you starve for long enough suddenly having food for once can actually kill you. Accept that regardless of which side of the argument your on that mistakes were made and now we all have to figure out what the heck to do next.

Also, to people saying the states would crush china.. The paper in the op explicitly says thats not true anymore. Its the entire point of the topic.

[Deleted]

China will eventually have enough might to dominate Asia and just as every country in history that gained power it will eventually use it to get what they want.

Not saying that's good or bad, it's just human.

[Deleted]

Also, to people saying the states would crush china.. The paper in the op explicitly says thats not true anymore. Its the entire point of the topic.

The level of collective narcissism among Americans is disturbing. It has not been able to "crush" small insurgencies. It would have no chance invading China.

The basic lesson of military history is that it is almost impossible to invade a country successfully.

[Tierbook]

This is one of those problems which can solve themselves, if just let be.

The thing is that whenever we let others solve a problem themselves their idea of 'solving' the problem is to ask the US to come do it for them...

[Beazy]

Does this mean our imports of beef flat noodles are going to go down?

[Deleted]

http://thehill.com/opinion/internati...-power-in-asia

Kind of strange if you think about it. The U.S. is spending like what? 4 times more on the military than China? Yet it still isn't enough.

China's military is still nothing to fear for the US, at all.

What you should fear is the insidious tentacles that China spreads out throughout the world as it buys up your news outlets, companies and so on. THey censor things, control what is said about them, threaten and torture the people that speak out against them (even foreigners).
Be afraid of that, because it's very real. Australia and New Zeeland are particularly infiltrated at the moment.

[Fooliecoolie]

As much as China is putting into their military, they still haven't really mobilized their military since 1989. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianan...otests_of_1989

[PL-Cibo]

So you're saying America SHOULD meddle more in the world's affairs and keep intervening into other regions instead of allowing countries in those regions to take care of shit themselves?

Wow. The rest of the world is so fucking bipolar. One minute they want the USA to leave everyone alone. And the next they want America to take care of everything for them. So which is it gonna be? Because you can't have your fucking cake and eat it too.

clean up after your own mess. Do you not understand that concept? the USA produced this outcome with the korean war. Now they want japan, SK and china to deal with it. but taking responsibility was never the strength of the so called world police. And then guys like you come around and call it bipolar when somebody points this out. Quite funny I think.

[Player Twelve]

China's military is still nothing to fear for the US, at all.

What you should fear is the insidious tentacles that China spreads out throughout the world as it buys up your news outlets, companies and so on. THey censor things, control what is said about them, threaten and torture the people that speak out against them (even foreigners).
Be afraid of that, because it's very real. Australia and New Zeeland are particularly infiltrated at the moment.

That seems a lot like "The jews controls the media" but instead of the jews it's the chinese.

[Gwiez]

It's a good thing the US isn't dismantling its own state department then.

oh, shit

[Deleted]

That seems a lot like "The jews controls the media" but instead of the jews it's the chinese.

Yeah why would a totalitarian, Communist regime ever want to do bad things?

Doesn't take much to find any of it out.

[Shadee]

The level of collective narcissism among Americans is disturbing. It has not been able to "crush" small insurgencies. It would have no chance invading China.

The basic lesson of military history is that it is almost impossible to invade a country successfully.

Germany did a pretty good job of invading and occupying most of Europe. Good thing America came and bailed them out.

[Uzkin]

Germany did a pretty good job of invading and occupying most of Europe. Good thing America came and bailed them out.

Germany tried to conquer Europe twice by using the military approach (in recent history) -- and failed. Then they tried it by using a tool known as EU -- and succeeded.

Edit. Russia played a more important role than US in stopping Germany in WW2.