Net neutrality gone

[rda]

Honestly I think losing net neutrality would fine if we didn't have the situation in middle America where there is NO FREE MARKET FOR ISPs AT ALL. Generally when you move into a new place here they just tell you outright "We have Comcast (or whatever) here." Because there are no options. It's a monopoly plain and simple.

If I could just go to ISP A after ISP B acted like a dick, there would be no problem. And the fact that ISP B wouldn't act like a dick they would knowingly lose customers to ISP A would keep everything in balance.

Yes, that's a fair argument. But the solution is to solve the issues that prevent competition from happening. I suppose you could try to uphold NN until that is done, even though it is limiting the competition, but that's the most that can be said about it. NN is playing a negative role here overall.

[Karfal]

O my god it's the end of world!!!!!!!


O wait no internet is still here. Nothing changed and nothing will change.

The end.

[Deleted]

Good. Only way to put a break on "regressive" left mainstream culture.

[rda]

The big providers were piloting data packages, subscription access packages and variable billing in 30+ states. NN stopped that garbage in its tracks.

That's not garbage at all. For some reason you decided that this is garbage, but this *benefits* the end user, you just don't see it because you don't think much about it. On that stupid picture of "$5 for social sites, $5 for news sites bla bla bla" from supposedly Portugal should be one more option "$30 for everything". If you want everything, you buy everything. If you don't want everything and just want social sites, you pay a much lower price. All NN does is says "this is illegal, we don't want you to choose" and "you" in the end is you, the customer.

[Beazy]

That's not garbage at all. For some reason you decided that this is garbage, but this *benefits* the end user.

I cant wait to hear you tell me how.

[infinitemeridian]

Good. Only way to put a break on "regressive" left mainstream culture.

I...what?

/10chars

[tankbug]

NN takes away freedom from the carriers which just prevents various good things from happening.

But once the mobile data volume limit is gone (which is just a question of time), that offer has no value anymore. They're analyzing the data packets to exclude them from the "extra cost" business model they have. Also, even if the ISP can "give" you this data fro free in one area, they might also use the same tech to throttle the connection of users in another. Most likely an area where the consumers don't have any choice in ISP. Even if the data-limit NEVER goes away for some reason, it's still better that nobody gets fucked, than that some people enjoy some free stuff.

The competitive market is in many cases just a facade, is too rigid, unfair, expensive and complex for anyone to tackle the Grand Old Companies, and it will not benefit people at all without the government holding the reins. But I guess that's a discussion which is a bit too general for this topic.

[rda]

I cant wait to hear you tell me how.

I have a bad habit of hitting the post button too soon and then adding. Sorry for that. Here is a full message:

That's not garbage at all. For some reason you decided that this is garbage, but this *benefits* the end user, you just don't see it because you don't think much about it. On that stupid picture of "$5 for social sites, $5 for news sites bla bla bla" from supposedly Portugal should be one more option "$30 for everything". If you want everything, you buy everything. If you don't want everything and just want social sites, you pay a much lower price. All NN does is says "this is illegal, we don't want you to choose" and "you" in the end is you, the customer.

[Independent voter]

And this is 2015, Netflix and YouTube probably have even bigger shares now.

That's what net neutrality is about, ISPs wanting a cut of Netflix and YouTube's profits. I expect my Netflix bill to go up, I hope they don't ruin the service.

[rda]

But once the mobile data volume limit is gone (which is just a question of time), that offer has no value anymore. They're analyzing the data packets to exclude them from the "extra cost" business model they have. Also, even if the ISP can "give" you this data fro free in one area, they might also use the same tech to throttle the connection of users in another. Most likely an area where the consumers don't have any choice in ISP. Even if the data-limit NEVER goes away for some reason, it's still better that nobody gets fucked, than that some people enjoy some free stuff.

I am not sure I understand it. Are you talking about Binge On? It's the point that there are actions which do not count towards the data limit.

[Yunru]

Can you sum this up? I can’t watch a 10 min video.

What they say is that they will go ddos attacking everything that is against free net.

[Sinyc]

Yeah, they must have all forgotten paying their monthly add ons for every website they wanted to access prior to the net neutrality law enacted a couple years ago

To be fair, ISPs were planning on doing something similar before 2015. So it's not THAT farfetched that it could happen now. But to say that repealing NN means that is FOR SURE going to happen is fearmongering. All that said, repealing NN was the WRONG move.

[Deleted]

O my god it's the end of world!!!!!!!


O wait no internet is still here. Nothing changed and nothing will change.

The end.

Naive. Lets wait for the day, when they hit you when your pants are down. Its not already like that, that you have to pay a lot of money for a good mobile connection and you also have a traffic volume. The same will happen to the normal internet. But hey, who cares. I bet you can easily afford $300+ for some google, amazon, netflix, twitch etc packages. Or maybe an additional porn flat? Because they could restrict it to 64kbit. Fun fact, more than 50% of the internet traffic is porn related.

[Nasuuna]

Good lord that is bad. I wish you luck. Why so much money do you live in a remote location or something?

middle of lakewood, which is just outside the city Limits of Denver

[ro9ue]

Yes, that's a fair argument. But the solution is to solve the issues that prevent competition from happening. I suppose you could try to uphold NN until that is done, even though it is limiting the competition, but that's the most that can be said about it. NN is playing a negative role here overall.

How is NN limiting competition?

[wunksta]

I think Morpheus has a point...

Let's ignore the fact that massive ISPs companies were in non-competition agreements with other ISPs and basically operated natural monopolies, stifled startup competition, never innovated, and actively fought against developing their network. None of that is going to change, and will most likely get worse.

[rda]

How is NN limiting competition?

Doh. Talk about the media making the issue so hopelessly one-sided, no one even knows what it really is.

Read this post of mine, for example:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post48359884

[LMuhlen]

How is NN limiting competition?

Maybe in upside down world, if a small innovative company joins the market without NN, the big ones will just assume it will fail, because LOL at competing against them without NN. Then the innovative guy could grow and bite them on their fat asses.

When there is NN, the big ones have to actively try and destroy innovation, so they are always ready to do so!

[Gorsameth]

What??? Dear, it is you who seems not to understand the topic. Did you even read what I wrote? It looks like you read just enough to get that I am against NN and went to write a generic response which does not really discuss what I said. Re-read the post you quoted, I expanded with a couple of explanations since you replied, we cross-posted.

No, at the end of the day the customer will win. That's how the market works. It creates win-win situations. If you don't want the feature, you don't buy it. You buy the thing that you want.

Unless there in a monopoly.

Which is there is many parts of the US.

The god hand of the free market only works if there are multiple choices (and only if those companies then don't make cartel agreements).

[Beazy]

I have a bad habit of hitting the post button too soon and then adding. Sorry for that. Here is a full message:

That's not garbage at all. For some reason you decided that this is garbage, but this *benefits* the end user, you just don't see it because you don't think much about it. On that stupid picture of "$5 for social sites, $5 for news sites bla bla bla" from supposedly Portugal should be one more option "$30 for everything". If you want everything, you buy everything. If you don't want everything and just want social sites, you pay a much lower price. All NN does is says "this is illegal, we don't want you to choose" and "you" in the end is you, the customer.

I had to stop reading at the bold part. . .


I have been a web application developer professionally since 1995. . . . I started with .net classic, .net 4.0 webforms, MVC, I've even coded in languages that aren't even around anymore. I worked on applications for the backbone of the ATT dallas ftworth network, I have worked for TWC, IBM, CITI Bank, Two of the Big 4 accounting firms. My credentials are far more solid than your youtube video watching spree, or your britebart copypastas on "competition".

Stay in your lane.