[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Jotaux]

Rey wasn’t really the best at every thing instantly, she was a scaver and had trained with her dumb stick so the fighting and engineering make sense. The piloting not so much but force users have always been amazing pilots so mabye that make sense. As far as the force goes she gets shown up by snoke 3 times without even moving so she’s clearly not the best at that and she’s equal to kylo as you see in the saber scene. Not to mention kylo does far better then her when fighting the red guys.

Kylo was trained by Luke Skywalker for years and then Snoke. He should be miles ahead of her.

[Krigaren]

Kylo was trained by Luke Skywalker for years and then Snoke. He should be miles ahead of her.

Not necessarily. Some Jedi are really really good with their saber skills (Anakin, Obi-Wan), but others are much more suited to using their force powers (Luke, Yoda).

The latter can definitely hold their own in a saber right and are still vastly capable of using their sabers in battle, but a saber to them was primarily used for defense, not offense in the same way other Jedi like Anakin used it.

That could have been the case with Ben. Luke himself wasn't the most skilled saber wielder from what we've seen in the movies, but can definitely hold his own, and Snoke never once used a saber from what we've seen. For all we know, Luke's academy and Snoke's teachings could have focused much more on the use of the force rather than saber skills. Not to mention Ben's saber style is barely controlled rage with huge, powerful lunges and swings (like Vader's, only without the discipline behind it), while Rey's style is much more focused, and purposeful. Which really describes the difference between the two.

Rey heavily relied on her martial fighting skills - particularly with use of her staff - in order to survive, and it's implied that she's been using and developing those skills almost her entire life since she was abandoned on Jakku. So it makes sense that, even without command of the force like Ben, that she could still give him a hard run for his money in a duel.

As far as force powers though? Ben has shown repeatedly that he easily outclasses her. He tossed her around like a rag doll in TFA, and the only indication that Rey might be on par with him in ability is during the struggle for Anakin's lightsaber. But beyond that, he's been able to easily incapacitate her every time he's tried.

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Boy oh boy this movie was shit. Let's go from thr start shall we:

Why should I feel any satisfaction when the First Order suffers any blow? The Empire is destroyed, and Snoke pops up out of nowhere, a super powerful being that just exists because the writes say so. And he creates the first order in, what, 10 years? During those 10 years the FO manages to indoctrinate and train millions of stormtroopers from birth to adult age, convert a planet into a deathstar and build a fleet of ships more powerful than anything Sidious could build over the span of maybe 60 years. So who gives a shit if the rebels destroy that big ship, the FO can just pull another 67 ships out of their ass if the writers say so.

Why should I care if the rebels die? In the originals the rebel victory was at least plausible, even tho it was impropable. But now? It's like Leia said "We have all we need" - Meaning: when the writers say it's time for the rebels to win, they'll just win out of nowhere.

The entire arc with Finn and that asian they were missing to complete the diversity set is just awful. "It's impossible to track through light speed. But they are doing it, and we know exactly how!" And that tracking appearantly comes from Snokes ship? Wtf? His ship was not present when the tracking began, and why was he not aware Hux had installed the tracking on his ship? But oh well. So they call up Lady Yoda, and lo and behold, she knows a codebreaker! So while the rebel fleet is about to die they manage to travel across the galaxy to some Casino planet where the audience is force fed a children's book story about how greed and animal abuse is bad, find a random thief who can break into everything, travel back, break into the ship, break the code. All in under, what, 8 hours? What's the point in setting the movies in a galaxy if everyone and everything you need is just around the corner.

All the characters are just, uninteresting. Rey is immediatly the best Jedi ever, Snoke just exists for no reason, that asian lady is completely shoe-horned and unneccessary, Finn had some moments in FA but is just bland now. Was anyone actually excited to see him fight Phasma? Honestly, what reason have I been given to give a single shit about their rivalry? When Snoke died my reaction was "He died. Who the fuck was he?" And I wouldn't have cared about any of the characters dying because they're all completely soulless. Just generic, randomly generated bad or good guys without any legacy or build up.

I could go on about BB8 being OP, kamikaze space ships being OP, stupid bombers who would always be on suicide missions cause they're too fucking slow, Kylo Ren turning back and forth from dark and light enough times to make it a semi-interesting drinking game and much more, but I think I've written enough.

[The Iron Fist]

You didn’t awnser his question like at all.

I did, actually. Extended Universe wasn't written by Lucas was it? It's not official canon, is it? If it was, it would be in 7 and 8. Nice try though.

[Aurrora]

Luke wouldn't have been able to get there physically, that was the point of showing his x-wing sunken underwater

Because Jedi Masters have such a difficult time with X-Wings submerged in bodies of water...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Kylo was trained by Luke Skywalker for years and then Snoke. He should be miles ahead of her.

Why would he be miles ahead? If they are on par with each other power wise a pulling match like they had would end in a draw as pulling is suspect basic. As to combat from what we see with the red guys he is way better at combat and he only lost in the first movie because he was injured and as snoke said killing Han split him to his core.

[Zeek Daniels]

Kylo was trained by Luke Skywalker for years and then Snoke. He should be miles ahead of her.

And rey has been fighting to survive on a hostile shit planet by herself. She knows how to fight and has a fighters spirit. As shown in the movie, she seems to train everyday with her staff. Yea a lightsaber is new to her but i dont know why you people think its impossible to wield. In what movie does it say it takes years to master? Do people forget Luke fought vader not long after he first had the saber and no one taught him and luke wasnt even a fighter beforehand. Why do people give luke a nobody farmer a pass but not Rey a girl who was fighting for survival with clear combat experience? You guys really need to stop bashing her for no reason.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I did, actually. Extended Universe wasn't written by Lucas was it? It's not official canon, is it? If it was, it would be in 7 and 8. Nice try though.

It was offices cannon unless Disney got the licence. So no you didn’t awnser the question. Do you or do you not think the eu was fan fiction before Disney got the license. It was all consisted cannon but not made by lucus, was it fan fic to you?

[dvaz]

Luke doing jack shit xcept screaming at her to GET OFF MY LAWN! pissed me off.

Luke, Master Jedi with years of XP gets knocked on his ass by some random chick with 0 training. Fucking scrub.

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Why should I feel any satisfaction when the First Order suffers any blow? The Empire is destroyed, and Snoke pops up out of nowhere, a super powerful being that just exists because the writes say so. And he creates the first order in, what, 10 years? During those 10 years the FO manages to indoctrinate and train millions of stormtroopers from birth to adult age, convert a planet into a deathstar and build a fleet of ships more powerful than anything Sidious could build over the span of maybe 60 years. So who gives a shit if the rebels destroy that big ship, the FO can just pull another 67 ships out of their ass if the writers say so.

Boy, where to start? Snoke aside, since we know nothing about him, he didn't created the First Order. The First Order was created from the Remnants of the Imperial Fleet that escaped Jakku and went within the Unknown Region alongside various former Imperial officers, technologists, nobles, and other pro-Imperial supporters. People that knew the secrets of the Empire. They kidnapped countless kids and formed the current Stormtroppers.

Bewteen the Battle of Jakku and TFA passed 30 years, not 10. We actually don't know when Snoke took control, but the groundwork was truly Imperial, he had no hand on it.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And rey has been fighting to survive on a hostile shit planet by herself. She knows how to fight and has a fighters spirit. As shown in the movie, she seems to train everyday with her staff. Yea a lightsaber is new to her but i dont know why you people think its impossible to wield. In what movie does it say it takes years to master? Do people forget Luke fought vader not long after he first had the saber and no one taught him and luke wasnt even a fighter beforehand. Why do people give luke a nobody farmer a pass but not Rey a girl who was fighting for survival with clear combat experience? You guys really need to stop bashing her for no reason.

To be fair if it was a 1v1 with kylo in mint conndion he should have stomped rey. But that wasn’t the case and for some reason people like to ignore the circumstances of the fights so they have something to complain about.

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Luke doing jack shit xcept screaming at her to GET OFF MY LAWN! pissed me off.

Luke, Master Jedi with years of XP gets knocked on his ass by some random chick with 0 training. Fucking scrub.

He had no connection with the Force at the time. So, yeah, he had no chance against a powerful, even untrained, Force user.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Luke had cut himself off from the Force.

Doesn’t he reconnect in the scene before that or was it the scene after?

[The Iron Fist]

It was offices cannon unless Disney got the licence. So no you didn’t awnser the question. Do you or do you not think the eu was fan fiction before Disney got the license. It was all consisted cannon but not made by lucus, was it fan fic to you?

Cannon is an artillery gun. Canon is official lore. EU is not official lore, therefore it isn't canon. And you're right, I didn't awnser the question (which is misspelled twice), but I did answer it. EU characters like Dash Rendar or Darth Bane or Darth Plagueis - none of them are canon. It is fan fiction. That is why it's called EXTENDED UNIVERSE!

[Krigaren]

Luke doing jack shit xcept screaming at her to GET OFF MY LAWN! pissed me off.

Luke wants the Jedi to end, not train a new one. His entire point in the movie was that the Jedi haven't ever done anything remotely useful, and have only screwed up so royally that it's thrown the entire galaxy into turmoil and war. His own attempt at a Jedi academy is the latest incarnation of that cycle, and now we have Kylo Ren (and presumably the Knights of Ren) as a result. He wants no more part in what's going on, because he doesn't trust that anything he does will work out for the best when he has ample evidence to show that it won't.

Luke, Master Jedi with years of XP gets knocked on his ass by some random chick with 0 training. Fucking scrub.

Did you notice that entire sequence where Rey was training with her staff and then with the lightsaber? The sequence that showed that she has a significant amount of self-made training, precision, power and control of her weapons? Luke was never the best lightsaber fighter, and he was fending her off with a lightning rod he pulled off a hut, give me a break.

[Nefarious Tea]

Because Jedi Masters have such a difficult time with X-Wings submerged in bodies of water...

That wasn't about not being able to pull it up. That was about it not being serviceable.

[Krigaren]

EU characters like Dash Rendar or Darth Bane or Darth Plagueis - none of them are canon. It is fan fiction. That is why it's called EXTENDED UNIVERSE!

Did you know that Coruscant was first introduced in the EU? You know, that planet that the senate and Jedi were located in the very canon, Lucas-made prequels? Plagueis was entirely a Lucas creation.

Thrawn, Z-95 Headhunters, Hammerhead cruisers, Interdictor Star Destroyers, TIE Defenders, Taris, Malachor, Darth Bane, Darth Revan, these were all introduced in one one form of EU and have been part of the SW universe for over 20 years in one or another, and are all now official canon. Not sure why you think that only things that came directly from Lucas can be considered as such.

[Deleted]

Cannon is an artillery gun. Canon is official lore. EU is not official lore, therefore it isn't canon. And you're right, I didn't awnser the question (which is misspelled twice), but I did answer it. EU characters like Dash Rendar or Darth Bane or Darth Plagueis - none of them are canon. It is fan fiction. That is why it's called EXTENDED UNIVERSE!

Uh, Darth Bane and Darth Plagueis are canon. They trimmed the EU from those characters, but they are pretty much canon.

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Did you know that Coruscant was first introduced in the EU? You know, that planet that the senate and Jedi were located in the very canon, Lucas-made prequels? Plagueis was entirely a Lucas creation.

Thrawn, Z-95 Headhunters, Hammerhead cruisers, Interdictor Star Destroyers, TIE Defenders, Taris, Malachor, Darth Bane, Darth Revan, these were all introduced in one one form of EU and have been part of the SW universe for over 20 years in one or another, and are all now official canon. Not sure why you think that only things that came directly from Lucas can be considered as such.

Pretty much this. Thrawn is the main example of it, one of the most famous EU characters, now canon because of the Rebels cartoon.

[Florena]

Cannon is an artillery gun. Canon is official lore. EU is not official lore, therefore it isn't canon. And you're right, I didn't awnser the question (which is misspelled twice), but I did answer it. EU characters like Dash Rendar or Darth Bane or Darth Plagueis - none of them are canon. It is fan fiction. That is why it's called EXTENDED UNIVERSE!

What? The term extended universe refers to it extending from the movies, the core of the franchises. The phrase doesn't indicate whether it's canon or not.

Lucas may not have written it or the new movies, but he did allow the EU to be written under the star wars name when he was in control and he willingly sold the rights to star wars. What Lucas thinks of it now doesn't matter, he gave it up willingly. Nor does that make the EU or new movies fan fiction.

[Halyon]

Luke was nowhere close to her level. Mary Sue is the most overused term I have ever seen though. Which character isn't a Mary Sue?

A Mary Sue/Gary Stu is someone who is entirely flawless, who doesn't fail ever. Rey has flaws, Luke has flaws, Anakin has flaws. None of them are Mary Sue, or all of them are, they're fairly similar.

Because Jedi Masters have such a difficult time with X-Wings submerged in bodies of water...

Raising it is not a problem, mending the decades of water damage to it is. You don't think deeply enough about it, that's the problem.