[TV] BBC & Netflix - Troy: Fall of a city (Cultural appropriation?...)

[owbu]

Nah, it has to do with historical accuracy. Some of us find it odd when they go out of their way to cast, say Heimdal as black, (Elba is a great actor though). Why do they have to base the story on a country's myth and then cast etnical groups that don't belong there. Granted there were for sure africans in ancient greece at the time, and Spartacus balances this well, but having the, (mythological), founder of the city Rome as a black is beyond me.

IF you are going for an authentical theme in your movie/show that is an okay standard to have. If, for instance, Rome had cast a black Caesar (A person, with actual ancient sources on what he looked like), that would have been really weird, since they payed alot of attention to historical colors on houses, the type of food they ate and so on.
Marvel comics and most TV shows do not pay any attention to historical accuracy in any regard (I teach ancient literature, it hurts sometimes! ). Thats okay. That means they can have as many horns on their helmets, black actors, Emperors from completely diffrent periods, the fucking sword of TROY and whatever else they want to put in there. Complaining about that makes about as much sense as complaining that there is only 3 people in Caesars army in your local school play.
I dont know what this show is going for, but IF they care about "history" at all in other regards, I would be interested to know what their general strategy, when deciding who gets to be what skin color, was. *(Homer´s (if he existed) version of "Fall of Troy" is about as historic as space thor :>)

The other thing is, that a lot of people base their "historical accuracy" regarding skin color in ancient time on the pictures/movies/stories and so on from the last 1000 years - a time period, where our countries slowly turned all the romans and greeks into 100% european looking white dudes. So now Jesus is white and Santa is White and everyone in the roman empire (which had tons of colors, not just in the lower classes) and their imaginary heroes are white.
A roman watching a movie about them today, would probably wonder what all the barbarians are doing in his city. Thats not historical accuracy thats our ancestors changing the original to better fit their own culture. Which wasnt problematic, when some monk did it a thousand years ago, and its not problematic now, that we changed back to more multicultural societies.

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I find it wrong and ill. We should respect our cultural inheritance, our antiques and classics. Greeks of the past were probably even whiter than modern ones, as they lived before Dorian invasions. Achilles is described as red haired. Mortals and gods were usually described as blonde, blue eyed people with ivory skin.

[Farrarie]

whats next, black hitler

[Miyagie]

Can we have a white actor play Nelson Mandella or Ghandi next?

Ben Kingsley cough cough*

[Bronan]

WE WUZ GREEKS N SHIET!

I fucking died!

But yeah, it's well known that just like ancient Egyptians, ancient Greeks were black.

[XDurionX]

Achilles wasn't real, so it really hurts your false outrage argument about "him being black"


You can go join fox news in their outrage in demanding that santa is white, too.

This. It's as dumb as arguing about Jebus' skin colour.

[Deleted]

Where's the cultural appropriation, again?

Apparently it's fine for black people to take white roles but when a white person takes an asian or black role it's cultural appropriation and an outrage. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes white people feel hated and shunned. It's racism against whites.

[Orange Joe]

The same people that will defend this are the same that would have complained about Matt Damon being in an Asian Movie.

Hi, don't give a shit about this movie nor Matt Damon being in a asian film.


Trying to generalize a whole group of people is stupid.

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I find it wrong and ill. We should respect our cultural inheritance, our antiques and classics. Greeks of the past were probably even whiter than modern ones, as they lived before Dorian invasions. Achilles is described as red haired. Mortals and gods were usually described as blonde, blue eyed people with ivory skin.

Your racism is showing. Try picking up a history book.

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Hi, don't give a shit about this movie nor Matt Damon being in a asian film.


Trying to generalize a whole group of people is stupid.

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Your racism is showing. Try picking up a history book.

Brother, I have tried many 'books', including those written in ancient greek.

[Orange Joe]

Brother, I have tried many 'books', including those written in ancient greek.

Then you would know describing Greeks as white. Or even "whiter" is false.

[Deleted]

Then you would know describing Greeks as white. Or even "whiter" is false.

No, brother, Greeks are white and were even whiter in the past.

[Deleted]

Can we have a white actor play Nelson Mandella or Ghandi next?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083987/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Bye.

[Fonduset]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083987/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Bye.

Kinglsy is mixed race....

[igualitarist]

In the past mmo-champion taught me ancient british were black. Now i am learning its wrong saying ancient greeks were white.

Thanks mmo-champion

[Bigbazz]

Cultural appropriation is not a thing.

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Kinglsy is mixed race....

As are most these days.

I doubt most people would look at Kingsley and say he's Indian.

[eschatological]

This is the Cinema subforum. This isn't a subforum for discussing topics which more appropriately belong in GenOT. I'm closing this because this thread isn't about the actual media itself, but because of a specific, political agenda the OP is trying to push. It's fine to discuss this movie based on what's actually in it, from beginning to end, but this thread has gone too far off track for this subforum.