Sylvanas' storyline in BfA

[Dejo93]

What do you think what will happen to Sylvanas? Personally (and I'm pretty sure most people agree with me) she's just been awful since W3. I swear, the only reason she's still alive is the fact that her fanboys will throw a shit fit, plus the fact that Dave Kosack jacks off to her. Her becoming Warchief is the reason why I gave up on the Horde, and why I started to appreciate the Alliance more. I seriously hope they make a conclusion to her storyline and make her answer for what she did

What are your thoughts?

[Candy Cough]

I cant imagine her being too happy about losing the undercity which seems odd since the horde startet the conflict so what did she expect. Shell probably go full lich king on the alliance and sacrifice herself in retaking the undercity with lillian voss as the new racial leader for the undead. And NO nathanos is not the better choice, hes a complete moron that threatens the player at all turns, bitch i could cleave him in half if i wanted to, he does NOT get to make demands of me

[ello]

I think they're pampering her up to take the road Garrosh never did, then ultimately she'll have her Kerrigan sacrificial/transcendent moment. I'm not sre if the second part will happen in BfA or not, but she is a very strong foil to Anduin who we know will be around for a long time, so I could see her being the main Horde protagonist in the final arc if the writers decide to go there.

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lillian voss as the new racial leader for the undead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7f...ature=youtu.be

stolen from offical forums btw

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i see only two scenarios:
1) dies as a hero for the forsaken and the horde (maybe even the alliance/azeroth)
2) new raid boss

[WolfRider]

You don't like Sylvanas, okay you might have some (good/bad) reasons.
Is this a reason to end this character? Hell No!
She has so much to offer, Legion was just an introduction for her as a Warchief, we will see how she's handling it in BfA and I think it will be surprising.

Haters gonna love it.

[Steampunkette]

I'm fairly sure we're going to see a Redemptive Arc.

The Prologue of the new Christie Golden Novel, Before the Storm, shows us how unused to constant attention Sylvanas has become. How she's used to plotting in the darkness where no one interrupts her every 5 minutes with some issue of state. We're shown how she must balance diplomacy with desire and settles in on the fact that she cannot show favoritism, as she once did, to her chosen people but must treat all members of the Horde with the same support and leadership.

I think this will show her having no choice but to reconnect with the living, rather than sit in quiet, silent, darkness, reliving everything that was ever wrong in her life and unlife, growing ever more detached and disgusted.

And when her sister, Vereesa, dies at Tel'drassil, it's going to shake her. It's going to show her, and the world, that she is an emotional being rather than the cold and heartless bitch-queen persona she tries so hard to convince everyone, herself included, is the real Sylvanas Windrunner.

It should be interesting? But I sincerely hope they don't Raid Boss her or have her commit a Noble Sacrifice at the end of her arc. Instead I want her to live with the guilt of what she's done, and spend time trying to atone for her actions with a real continuing sense of effort on her part.

That would be cool.

[Alex86el]

OP is wise =)

[Kokolums]

Instead I want her to live with the guilt of what she's done, and spend time trying to atone for her actions with a real continuing sense of effort on her part.

That would be cool.

Why should she feel guilt for anything she has done? Its not her fault Arthas turned her into an undead. Its her undead afflication that is making her cold and uncaring and the root cause for her moral struggles. She's blameless.

[Steampunkette]

Why should she feel guilt for anything she has done? Its not her fault Arthas turned her into an undead. Its her undead afflication that is making her cold and uncaring and the root cause for her moral struggles. She's blameless.

I disagree. There are entirely moral undead characters within the canon of WoW, ergo she is to be blamed for her actions. Even if her personality -were- somehow rewritten, that wouldn't mean she is blameless, since existentially the person she -was- is dead and the person she -is- is evil.

Regardless of Arthas's actions, Sylvanas has made choices. But the way she's written, to me, suggests that she's actively -trying- to be this cold bitchy icequeen as a defense mechanism brought on by her rape-allegory of being mind-controlled by Arthas. Looking at her from that light, most everything she does is defensive and violent, only daring to leave the dark sorrow-filled sewers of Lordaeron when she is forced to (Like the invasion of Gilneas, the attack on the Broken Shore, and now Orgrimmar) or when she's seeking vengeance upon the man who destroyed her so utterly (Her campaign against Arthas in WotLK).

I'd much rather she wake up, realize that she is a part of this world and must exist on that basis, and recognize her wrongdoing. Yeah, 90% of the Alliance won't be satisfied until she's dead (And, like, 33% of the Horde!) but it's not about them: It's about the continuing story.

... I think it'd be cool, at least.

[ello]

Why should she feel guilt for anything she has done? Its not her fault Arthas turned her into an undead. Its her undead afflication that is making her cold and uncaring and the root cause for her moral struggles. She's blameless.

She can be blamed. She has been in full control of her mental faculties since TFT, she made her choices.

Now, should she be blamed? Well, that depends on your perspective.

I disagree. There are entirely moral undead characters within the canon of WoW, ergo she is to be blamed for her actions. Even if her personality -were- somehow rewritten, that wouldn't mean she is blameless, since existentially the person she -was- is dead and the person she -is- is evil.

Regardless of Arthas's actions, Sylvanas has made choices. But the way she's written, to me, suggests that she's actively -trying- to be this cold bitchy icequeen as a defense mechanism brought on by her rape-allegory of being mind-controlled by Arthas. Looking at her from that light, most everything she does is defensive and violent, only daring to leave the dark sorrow-filled sewers of Lordaeron when she is forced to (Like the invasion of Gilneas, the attack on the Broken Shore, and now Orgrimmar) or when she's seeking vengeance upon the man who destroyed her so utterly (Her campaign against Arthas in WotLK).

I'd much rather she wake up, realize that she is a part of this world and must exist on that basis, and recognize her wrongdoing. Yeah, 90% of the Alliance won't be satisfied until she's dead (And, like, 33% of the Horde!) but it's not about them: It's about the continuing story.

... I think it'd be cool, at least.

I think it could be interesting. We very rarely get to see the post-redemption behavior of a bad-guy-gone-good character because they usually die.

Though, Sylvanas is one of the few protagonists in the game that don't adhere to the generic "superman morals" archetype. I think it would be a shame to whitewash that away into another lawful good character.

Maybe redemption isn't the right word, maybe she needs a "rememberance", an introspective mission that leads to her remembering what it was like to fight for bigger causes as Ranger-General. She seems to still fondly remember the days of her living/training, maybe that could be tapped into now that she is once again leading a living faction. I would like her to stay an interesting, pragmatic antihero rather than turn her into Undead Baine or something.

[Nalorakk]

which seems odd since the horde startet the conflict

Someone hasn't seen the 7.3.5 Silithus quests

[ls-]

I cant imagine her being too happy about losing the undercity which seems odd since the horde startet the conflict so what did she expect. Shell probably go full lich king on the alliance and sacrifice herself in retaking the undercity with lillian voss as the new racial leader for the undead. And NO nathanos is not the better choice, hes a complete moron that threatens the player at all turns, bitch i could cleave him in half if i wanted to, he does NOT get to make demands of me

Lol, Lilian Voss is a trash tier Mary-Sue-ish character who despises undead while being one herself. She's OP, unstoppable and fearless martial artist, dark magic and stealth specialist w/ your typical traumatic past that's loved by every single entity in the game for no reason whatsoever...

Making her the new leader of the Forsaken is the best way to mess up them even more.

[ello]

Lol, Lilian Voss is a trash tier Mary-Sue-ish character who despises undead while being one herself. She's OP, unstoppable and fearless martial artist, dark magic and stealth specialist w/ your typical traumatic past that's loved by every single entity in the game for no reason whatsoever...

Not to mention she is a teenager with no leadership qualifications.

she defeats the whole point of playing forsaken

[LoLcano]

All i hope for is NOT ANOTHER CHANGE in horde leadership, let the poor guys have a same Warchief for a while.

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Not to mention she is a teenager with no leadership qualifications.

she defeats the whole point of playing forsaken

All these things probably make her the best leader candidate in the eyes of some SMH...

[Heeresman]

Dave Kosack jacks off to her What are your thoughts?

Well.....................

[ls-]

All i hope for is NOT ANOTHER CHANGE in horde leadership, let the poor guys have a same Warchief for a while.

Well, there can't be any change in the Alliance because Anduin and Velen have the thickest plot armour there is, but Blizz need to change something in either side, so it's safe to assume that the Horde is the one to suffer, again...

[LoLcano]

All i hope for is NOT ANOTHER CHANGE in horde leadership, let the poor guys have a same Warchief for a while.

Well, there can't be any change in the Alliance because Anduin and Velen have the thickest plot armour there is, but Blizz need to change something in either side, so it's safe to assume that the Horde is the one to suffer, again...

Well an expansion can end without either side lose a leader . maybe lose a land instead. Horde lose Undercity for good and alliance lose Darnasus . Also i would pay top dollar to see Trynade finally gone from the game specially since legion cause of her annoying voice .

[ls-]

Well an expansion can end without either side lose a leader . maybe lose a land instead. Horde lose Undercity for good and alliance lose Darnasus . Also i would pay top dollar to see Trynade finally gone from the game specially since legion cause of her annoying voice .

"Malfurion! Where are you, my dear?!"

[Steampunkette]

She can be blamed. She has been in full control of her mental faculties since TFT, she made her choices.

Now, should she be blamed? Well, that depends on your perspective.



I think it could be interesting. We very rarely get to see the post-redemption behavior of a bad-guy-gone-good character because they usually die.

Though, Sylvanas is one of the few protagonists in the game that don't adhere to the generic "superman morals" archetype. I think it would be a shame to whitewash that away into another lawful good character.

Maybe redemption isn't the right word, maybe she needs a "rememberance", an introspective mission that leads to her remembering what it was like to fight for bigger causes as Ranger-General. She seems to still fondly remember the days of her living/training, maybe that could be tapped into now that she is once again leading a living faction. I would like her to stay an interesting, pragmatic antihero rather than turn her into Undead Baine or something.

Oh, absolutely! I don't want her to become a generic Superman Archetype character, either.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, her redemption arc is as follows:

Thrust into the light, she wavers and hates it.
She realizes she must become accustomed to being around the living.
Spending more time with the living, her own emotions start to re-emerge while still being relatively dim by comparison.
She is confronted by the spectres of what she's done wrong after this emergence of emotion.
While she still feels justified in her actions, she knows that the consequences must be dealt with.
She makes reparations for what she has done wrong, and makes a vow to be more vigilant in the future.
She remains an anti-hero, willing to make the harsh choices, but tries to minimize the hardship after the fact.

So, like, she'd still use the plague, but in a more responsible manner than blanketing the area with it. Taking the time to make sure it's no longer being tested on captives. Less torture, more spying. Things like that, while also actively attempting to diplomatically make amends for her misdeeds. Slightly less Anti, slightly more Hero, but still an antihero. A Lighter Shade of Grey.