Scrubbusters Going Horde - Player-Power Racials MUST be Removed!

[Valrysha]

With Scrubbusters recent annoucement that they are going Horde, there are now ZERO Alliance guilds in the top 10 rankings.

The reason Scrubbusters gave was this
"Whenever you talk about hardcore raiding, you associate it with Horde. That has always been the case partly because of stronger racials, but also because there just always was a bigger and established community on the Horde side."

Why has it always the case that people associate Hardcore raiding with Horde? Because Horde have had stronger racials for Raiding for ages now.

Racials that affect player power are detrimental to the game and the raiding scene.

The only reason you should pick a race in this game is.
A) You like the look of it.

That's it. That's the only reason. Blizzard need to remove power racials in BfA.

[Onikaroshi]

Oh good lord, there is less then a 1% difference between racials now, the only thing lately that made horde more attractive was rocket jump on KJ and that's more a utility racial then anything.

Leave the damn racials be, they've been nerfed enough already.

[Soisoisoi]

It's fine, they'll probably all go Alliance again when you realise how strong a 30-yard-place-able teleport/warlock portal thing is. Can't wait for Void Elves, Goblins got nothin' on them.

[Deleted]

Things like racials matter only for top 1% of the 1%. For the rest of us they mean very little, though as a Troll I do use my Berserking a lot because it's like a mini Bloodlust. It's the only thing stopping me from re-rolling Orc. I really wanna be an Orc right now... but I digress.

I wouldn't be opposed to Blizzard making racials equal for both factions. I do like that each race has its own unique thing going on, instead of Alliance and Horde being two carbon copies of each other. I liked both factions being different originally even as far back as vanilla when only Alliance could have Paladins and only Horde could have Shamans, but that was a long time ago and WoW has changed a lot since then.

ScrubBusters don't represent the majority of players. They're not a world first guild, but they're still in that top 1% of the 1% and do not necessarily represent the majority of the playerbase, even the majority of Mythic raiding guilds who will clear content while it's cutting edge, but not necessarily in the first weeks or months of it being released. I do agree with you that each faction should have fair representation, both should have strong raiding scenes. Either make the Alliance racials more appealing, or make them equivalent to Horde racials I suppose.

[rogoth]

Oh good lord, there is less then a 1% difference between racials now, the only thing lately that made horde more attractive was rocket jump on KJ and that's more a utility racial then anything.

Leave the damn racials be, they've been nerfed enough already.

historically horde have had the best racials period, power or utility because alliance had the best classes (paladin being exclusive to alliance and being objectively better than shaman at the time), and the game hasn't kept up with the fact that this is no longer the case, also, as was seen in the scarab event last year it didn't matter how much effort the alliance put in for it, the sheer volume of horde players compared to alliance players in EU alone is astonishing, so from a recruitment perspective the player pool that alliance guilds can pull from at the level that scrubbusters need is tiny compared with horde wide where the vast majority play is a no brainer.

furthermore, it makes character transfers cheaper since they don't have to pay the extra bullshit fee of faction changing on top of realm changing etc.

[CheeseDoodlez]

The racial differences are really small now, and no one is actually raiding as horde because of racials anymore. Just because horde racials aren't OP anymore doesn't mean that whole guilds wants to spend 100's of dollars to transfer to alliance, most people will stay behind as horde and try to find new horde guilds when they leave their old ones. The only way to balance this out would be for Blizzard to bamboozle everyone by giving alliance OP racials. And when enough people have been tricked into faction changing, they just revert the racials

[Aeula]

It's PvE, not PvP. Who cares which faction is doing better?

Racials are an important part of the RPG part of MMORPG. Let them stay.

[Elba]

People don't go Horde because of racials. People go Horde because the recruitment pool if better because all the other raiding guilds are there.

[Seramore]

The basis for this subject is about 6 years too late, back when racials mattered far more than they do today.

[SLSAMG]

Oh good lord, there is less then a 1% difference between racials now, the only thing lately that made horde more attractive was rocket jump on KJ and that's more a utility racial then anything.

Leave the damn racials be, they've been nerfed enough already.

1% across 20 characters pushing for mythic world firsts makes a huge fucking difference...

[Magnagarde]

The racials caused the massive exodus of hardcore progression raiders to the Horde and now that the difference is abysmal - yet still favorable for the Horde - they feel no need to switch back to Alliance.

[Valrok]

1% across 20 characters pushing for mythic world firsts makes a huge fucking difference...

pretty sure that doesn't equal out to 120% performance

[WskyDK]

The racials caused the massive exodus of hardcore progression raiders to the Horde and now that the difference is abysmal - yet still favorable for the Horde - they feel no need to switch back to Alliance.

This is the reality of it.
If they up and removed racials completely, there's still no reason to faction change every Main and alt of the guild. The only thing that would save the alliance numbers at this point is a completely broken racial to bring pllayers back, or Blizzard removing cross-faction restrictions on play (which let's be honest, isn't likely until the game dies and goes f2p)

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1% across 20 characters pushing for mythic world firsts makes a huge fucking difference...

Except that's still just a 1% increase in raid dps.

[Deja Thoris]

1% across 20 characters pushing for mythic world firsts makes a huge fucking difference...

Yea, about 1% difference. *maths*

[Onikaroshi]

1% across 20 characters pushing for mythic world firsts makes a huge fucking difference...

It's less then 1%, and that's from best to worst, not alliance to horde. Alliance and horde are very comparable.

[Deckon]

Who could possibly care?

The OP (10chars)

[Nathasil]

People don't go Horde because of racials. People go Horde because the recruitment pool if better because all the other raiding guilds are there.

This.

Why is that so hard to understand? Racials are so close nowadays that they will not be the deciding factor for days you take to kill a Mythic Boss. The deciding factor is how many raiding hours you can put in, be it for split raids or actual practice time, and how much time your raiders spend farming M+ in hopes of perfect TF gear. You need a lot of people with a lot of time. So you need more recruits, constantly. If one faction offers you more recruits, then that's the faction you play.

Hardcore raiding is very niche. There are currently 25 guilds in the world that have killed Mythic Argus. Let's say all of them have a player pool of 60 people. That means 1500 players in the entire world. WoW does not attract new, young players anymore. The older you get, the less time you will naturally spend on WoW. At some point all Hardcore raiders will HAVE to play one faction to keep their raid going.

Edit:
Organised PvP will become entirely one-sided for the same reason. Why would you play the faction that offers you 100 other players of equal skill when you can play the faction that offers you 2000? Players you CAN play with are more important than players you CAN NOT play with.

[SLSAMG]

This is the reality of it.
If they up and removed racials completely, there's still no reason to faction change every Main and alt of the guild. The only thing that would save the alliance numbers at this point is a completely broken racial to bring pllayers back, or Blizzard removing cross-faction restrictions on play (which let's be honest, isn't likely until the game dies and goes f2p)

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Except that's still just a 1% increase in raid dps.

Did I otherwise state differently? 1% is the difference between a kill and a wipe....... By your logic why even bother flasking/pre potting? Casuals, lol...

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Yea, about 1% difference. *maths*

Obviously.

[Ealyssa]

Except that's still just a 1% increase in raid dps.

Because nobody ever wiped at 1%, especially on progress. EVER.

And it's not only about the 1%. More players joining horde means it's harder to play on alliance side.

My mythic guilde died after we cleared ToS MM (the officers were burnt out, they all stopped to play PUBG). We were the best alliance guild on the second best french server. Their isn't any spot on the 2 other decent guilds of my servers now. They are 8 on horde side. I have 11 110 character.

What should I do ? Pay to transfer all my character ? (pretty much all my former guildies switched) Stop playing wow ? Their is currently a HUGE migration of PVE players on horde side. That's just a fact. And it's quite toxic for the alliance "hardcore" PVE community.

[durrtygoodz]

Why has it always the case that people associate Hardcore raiding with Horde? Because Horde have had stronger racials for Raiding for ages now.

Racials that affect player power are detrimental to the game and the raiding scene.

Blizzard need to remove power racials in BfA.

The racials don't make a big difference anymore but the damage was done in MoP when horde was quite a long way better and guilds migrated horde en masse, with many more following all throughout WoD. In Legion the alliance PvE scene is pretty much dead, in both Mythic+ and raiding. We've been planning to go horde all expansion, now was just the most viable time to do it.

Also on the topic of "power" racials; some of the most advantageous racials this expansion have been utility rather than power. Blood Elf silence great but with mythic+ getting big, blood elf is by far and away the best. And then you have goblin rocket jump which our two wheelchair users (I mean, DKs) would have loved on KJ.