Tennessee Free Speech Bill Signed Into Law

[BuckSparkles]

That's not how reality works. You grant legitimacy to ideas by providing them an equal platform.

What is this obsession with legitimacy?

No, you don't give them legitimacy if you bring them up on a stage, debate them, and prove them to be 100% wrong to the audience. Again, with the two examples I mentioned, it would be exceptionally easy to defeat in a debate, thus proving them wrong.

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But that's the thing, there have been endless amount of debates and the presentation of factual, empirical evidence, yet they still deny.

But we both know both flat earthers are an extreme minority and anti-vaxxers are a losing battle right? Because both get debated and defeated over and over.

Why not let them continue to lose?

You will never fully 100% eliminate a belief. But defeating it enough time and it's pushed out of common thought of society.

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No, you don't seem to get it. Sexual harassment is not always illegal. Catcalling is sexual harassment but it generally is not illegal.

If it isn't illegal, i don't care.

You don't quite seem to understand the distinction between having a stupid, shitty opinion and attacking individuals.

What part of wishing for a white genocide isn't attacking people?

[Elegiac]

What is this obsession with legitimacy?

Becauuuuse...

It's seriously like people have forgotten that debates aren't for those debating. They're for the audience. When you present "everyday science" as one side, and "batshit lunatic conspiracy insanity" as the other side, you're implicitly saying that the two have comparable merit, such that a debate between the two is warranted for the public's benefit, in exploring both sides.

You know, that thing that has been repeated to you several times but you continue to dismiss as "silencing the opposition"?

No, you don't give them legitimacy if you bring them up on a stage, debate them, and prove them to be 100% wrong to the audience. Again, with the two examples I mentioned, it would be exceptionally easy to defeat in a debate, thus proving them wrong.

The actual instances of trying to debate bunk opinions indicate otherwise. Such as Bill Nye's whole "debate the creationist" shtick. All it ended up doing was providing further exposure for a batshit opinion.

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But we both know both flat earthers are an extreme minority and anti-vaxxers are a losing battle right? Because both get debated and defeated over and over.

They are not in a losing battle; anti-vaxxers in particular are becoming a severe issue because the efforts to discredit them have just brought them more publicity.

[BuckSparkles]

They are not in a losing battle; anti-vaxxers in particular are becoming a severe issue because the efforts to discredit them have just brought them more publicity.

Are they? I figured they were losing because the idea that autism is caused by vaccines I have not seen any actual supporting evidence.

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Wasn't that tweet satire?

Given the rest of his production, no, it wasn't.

[Xisa]

If it means conservative speakers can speak at Liberal Universities, and liberal speakers can speak and Conservative Universities, I'm okay with it.

College is about expanding your horizons. Being forced to listen to opinions you disagree with is a foundational part of critical thought and development. It is not supposed to be a safe-space to be spoon-fed everything you already think or agree with.

[NineSpine]

I mean do you know what the appeal to authority fallacy is? Yes that is an appeal to authority and it is a fallacy in a debate.

So, let me get this straight. You tell me I had eggs for breakfast. I say "No, I had waffles, I was there." You then get to declare that I am engaging in argument from authority?

[Orange Joe]

So, let me get this straight. You tell me I had eggs for breakfast. I say "No, I had waffles, I was there." You then get to declare that I am engaging in argument from authority?

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority


.... just stop it's when you proclaim an authority figure that is absolutely right it that becomes a fallacy

[NineSpine]

If it isn't illegal, i don't care.


What part of wishing for a white genocide isn't attacking people?

I didn't say "people". I said "individuals".

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What is this obsession with legitimacy?

No, you don't give them legitimacy if you bring them up on a stage, debate them, and prove them to be 100% wrong to the audience. Again, with the two examples I mentioned, it would be exceptionally easy to defeat in a debate, thus proving them wrong.

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But we both know both flat earthers are an extreme minority and anti-vaxxers are a losing battle right? Because both get debated and defeated over and over.

Why not let them continue to lose?

You will never fully 100% eliminate a belief. But defeating it enough time and it's pushed out of common thought of society.

Your own example proves you wrong. Anti-vaxxers have always been wrong and get proven more wrong every day, but their beliefs have actually become MORE popular, not less popular.

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Because the government doesn't unilaterally have the authority to tell someone or something what to do based solely on them receiving tax dollars. If they did, Title IX wouldn't need to exist, because the government could just take away the funding to force compliance.

Title IX exists solely because the government doesn't have this authority.

Again, " because the government could just take away the funding to force compliance." That's literally how title nine compliance is done.

[Xisa]

I didn't say "people". I said "individuals".

No need to redefine words to make a point.

If it's racist to say about anyone, it's racist to say about everyone. There are no exceptions to this rule.

[NineSpine]

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority


.... just stop it's when you proclaim an authority figure that is absolutely right it that becomes a fallacy

Who claimed anyone was absolutely right?

[BuckSparkles]

Your own example proves you wrong. Anti-vaxxers have always been wrong and get proven more wrong every day, but their beliefs have actually become MORE popular, not less popular.

Huh, I wonder how that is possible?

As partisan as I am, and I admit it, anti-vaccine is such a non-partisan issue. The science just doesn't support the claim vaccines are bad.

[Elegiac]

Are they? I figured they were losing because the idea that autism is caused by vaccines I have not seen any actual supporting evidence.

Yes, they are. Entirely preventable diseases are now seeing more widespread outbreaks because herd immunity is being compromised by stupid or ignorant people.

[NineSpine]

No need to redefine words to make a point.

If it's racist to say about anyone, it's racist to say about everyone. There are no exceptions to this rule.

We weren't talking about racism. We were talking about the difference between someone saying "White genocide" and someone putting up photographs of a student and then slandering them and accusing them of sexual misconduct without evidence.

[Elegiac]

Huh, I wonder how that is possible?

As partisan as I am, and I admit it, anti-vaccine is such a non-partisan issue. The science just doesn't support the claim vaccines are bad.

Man it's almost as if treating their opinion as legitimate dissent and not baseless bunk might have had the unintended effect of advertising it further.

You know, that thing you've been repeatedly told in two separate threads.

[NineSpine]

Huh, I wonder how that is possible?

As partisan as I am, and I admit it, anti-vaccine is such a non-partisan issue. The science just doesn't support the claim vaccines are bad.

It's possible because of the exact phenomenon we are discussing: With the internet they are given a platform, and platforms grant legitimacy.

[BuckSparkles]

Yes, they are. Entirely preventable diseases are now seeing more widespread outbreaks because herd immunity is being compromised by stupid or ignorant people.

This defies logic. And I don't mean you I mean them.

[Orange Joe]

Who claimed anyone was absolutely right?

You did when you proclaimed yourself as an authority on the topic.....

[Xisa]

It's possible because of the exact phenomenon we are discussing: With the internet they are given a platform, and platforms grant legitimacy.

So, what's the solution? Create subjects that are banned from discussion?

You've got to do better than 3rd-world despot solutions.