Originally Posted by
Battlebeard
No, but Raids and M+ should be separate. 4-sets etc should not work in M+, as you can't get them from M+. And vice versa. Today, you clearly benefit from doing M+ as a raider, and doing raids as a M+ player. It should be separated! Raiders should never benfit from M+ and M+ players should never benefit from Raids.
Just like PvP players should never benefit from PvE and PvE players should not benefit from PvP.
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No, I can manage 15 just fine. But people are insanely elitist. I have "only" 950ilvl and I struggle like hell finding a +15 even though it's more than enough to do it, especially cause I have much experience. And I don't like the dungeons, I find dungeons very, very boring.
I work 70 hours a week and have busy weekends, I want to put 99% of my time in the game on the raids. I just hope for a game where this is possible!
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Well, most people would agree to keep PvP and PvE separate, won't they? I remember legendary cloak quest in MoP and people enraged cause they had to win ONE of Kotmugo and Silvershard Mines. PvPers don't like PvE and PvE'ers don't like PvP. Of course some people like both, but lots and lots of people have their thing, one of the two.
So if you can separate PvP and PvE, why not separate things even further? Split PvE even further, M+ and Raids, two sides, 0 incentive for Raiders to do M+ and M+ to do raids. That way, you can focus on what you WANT to play not everything cause you HAVE to do it to optimize your character.
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I have ALWAYS wished for a "Raiding-Moba" so to speak, you chose what class you want to play, 0 gear, 0 levels, just all abilities avaliable and ready to raid. I like WoW but I don't like the mmo parts that much. I hate leveling, gearing etc, but i LOVE raiding. I want to do raids, that's it, so the things you suggest are GOOD things to me. I would LOVE scaled raids.
AP and Legendaries is an awful system, I'm happy to see them removed from raids too.
Coining stuff is also stupid, it adds more RNG and RNG is always a bad thing.
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I honestly can't remember the exact ilvl you get from doing a +15 weekly, but it's like 960? Either way, you get gear from M+ a lot easier than you do from raids. Doing a +15 is much, much easier and less effort than killing Mythic Antorus bosses. However, I want to raid for the fun of it.
And since I'm only raiding HC atm, it DOES become a requirement for me to do atm, even though i skip it. I can't optimize my gear without M+. :/
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Well, the problem is the "compliment" part. That's what I am against. I don't want to do anything else than raids but if I don't do M+, I will not gear as fast. I just want a game where I can do raids and never even be able to improve my gear elsewhere. And for those who like M+, they should be able to do M+ without possibly improving their gear from raids.
And for CM, any gear, ANY gear could do CM gold if the player was good. You only needed to optimize your gear for server bests or for boosting others.