Canada launches global trade complaint against United States

[Tennis]

WASHINGTON — Canada has launched a wide-ranging attack against U.S. trade practices in a broad international complaint over American use of punitive duties.

It has asked the World Trade Organization to examine the use of duties in the United States, alleging that they violate international law for five reasons. The complaint was filed last month but released Wednesday, with some coincidental timing: the U.S. has just announced duties as high as nine per cent on Canadian paper.

The move follows a series of similar penalties as the U.S. alleges unfair trade practices from Canada in the form of softwood lumber and Bombardier subsidies.

The Canadian complaint alleges that American use of anti-dumping and countervailing duties violates global trade rules.

It says the U.S. levies penalties beyond what's allowed by the WTO, improperly calculates rates and unfairly declares penalties retroactive, while also limiting evidence from outside parties. It also accuses the U.S. of using a trade-panel voting system that's biased against foreigners.

The 32-page complaint cites dozens of examples unrelated to Canada, including 122 cases where the U.S. imposed duties on foreign countries.

The disputes over paper, lumber and aerospace are occurring just as the countries prepare to meet in Montreal later this month for a potentially pivotal round of NAFTA negotiations.

"This isn't going to calm passions in Montreal," said Canada-U.S. trade lawyer Mark Warner.

The Canadian complaints might have some merit, and Canada is well within its rights to complain to the WTO, Warner said. But he questioned the strategic logic of antagonizing the Trump administration in the midst of NAFTA talks.

He called it surprising that Canada is citing foreign cases in its complaint even as it engages in sensitive negotiations against an administration that already dislikes the WTO.

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Such a shame. Would this have happened under Obama?

[Ghostpanther]

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/8...united-states/

Such a shame. Would this have happened under Obama?

Would not surprise me at all if the US withdraws from NAFTA. So branch yourself.

[Independent voter]

Not a word of this in US papers.

[Tennis]

NAFTA doesn't matter that much anymore. We have the European trade deal, plus we'll do one with Mexico, plus we have the TPP..

[Molis]

If Canada was nuked by North Korea what would your country do?

Not a good idea to piss off your protective older brother.

[ipaq]

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/8...united-states/

Such a shame. Would this have happened under Obama?

Well the US kept filling about soft lumbers and lost all 5 filling and ended up paying the illegal tariffs + interest.

In fact there is a reason they want to remove that court, because it stop the US from bullying Canada. To trump a fair deal is a bad deal.

[Frontenac]

If Canada was nuked by North Korea what would your country do?

Not a good idea to piss off your protective older brother.

After exaggerated and unfair tariffs on Bombardier's C-Series, lumber and now on paper, I would say that USA pissed us off first.

All these negociations about NAFTA are a farce. The presidential headcheese never had any real intention to negociate honestly. By the end of the month, he will scrap the treaty. It will hurt Canada, it will hurt Mexico, and yes, it will hurt american workers too. The Chinese will be happy.

You don't bully your allies like that.

[sarahtasher]

Hey for the record toward the Americans that will come gloating ''UR UR UR, WE STRONK'', we are just tired of having trade deals enforced on us at gunpoint without the partner even PRETENDING to respect this. (Justin and Harper have completely ''weak beta cucks LULZ'' delusions, such as ''we sign a deal and everyone stick to it '')

For instance, when it's the mode to push free trade, we have the American style free trade, in which you can destroy Canadian firms but Heaven forbids if Canadian compete with YOUR COMPANIES.

When it's protectionism, it's pretty much exactly the same thing : we certainly can't sell in your markets, but we certainly can't protect ours.

[unfilteredJW]

If Canada was nuked by North Korea what would your country do?

Not a good idea to piss off your protective older brother.

Let's play spot the person with zero clue but wanted to beat off to their own unearned superiority.

[INVASMANIXOXOXO]

NAFTA doesn't matter that much anymore. We have the European trade deal, plus we'll do one with Mexico, plus we have the TPP..

Doesn't like 80%+ of your population live within 100 miles of the US border? Seeking out trade deals with others is smart, but I think the US will be Canada's most important trading partner well past all of our life times unless something drastic happens like you guys up a wall on us southpark style.

[stomination]

Doesn't like 80%+ of your population live within 100 miles of the US border? Seeking out trade deals with others is smart, but I think the US will be Canada's most important trading partner well past all of our life times unless something drastic happens like you guys up a wall on us southpark style.

The mass amount of money they lose from ppl going there for bingo would cripple the economy.

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Such a shame. Would this have happened under Obama?

No. Canada would have just not complained then.


And I totally get what he wants. People are buying paper from Canada all the way down in the Southern United States and Puerto Rico for newpapers and such instead of local places which is what current administration would prefer.

[SidFwuff]

Doesn't like 80%+ of your population live within 100 miles of the US border? Seeking out trade deals with others is smart, but I think the US will be Canada's most important trading partner well past all of our life times unless something drastic happens like you guys up a wall on us southpark style.

Who's the United States' most important trading partner?

It's not the E.U.

Similarity, this isn't the first time Canada has gone to the WTO over the U.S. Same shit, different President. Two years ago the WTO awarded Canada $1 Billion, for example. (Yes, that's Obama)

Trump can rip up NAFTA, and it'll hurt all three countries on the foreign exchange but nothing will really change otherwise. Again, for example, the U.S lumber industry will scream bloody murder about Canadian lumber, but it can't sustain the American economy alone so the U.S will keep buying it.

Unless Americans don't want to built houses anymore, I guess.

[Jastall]

The mass amount of money they lose from ppl going there for bingo would cripple the economy.

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No. Canada would have just not complained then.


And I totally get what he wants. People are buying paper from Canada all the way down in the Southern United States and Puerto Rico for newpapers and such instead of local places which is what current administration would prefer.

Maybe local places could stop sucking, then. Funny how some people are all about the free market, then take refuge in tariffs and crying about unfair deals when their products aren't popular anymore.

NAFTA is probably dead anyway. Trump obviously doesn't care about it and thinks he can bully Canada and Mexico in line. Its repeal will certainly hit these two countries more than it will the US, but it will also hurt Americans who suddenly lose preferential access to their biggest market, and pushes us into the loving arms of Europe and Asia when it comes to trade deals with partners that don't throw hissy fits every time they aren't on top.

But hey, Trump gets to flex his muscles and tell everyone he's stronk because someone else got fucked a bit more than he was. Yay for him, I guess.

[Mad_Murdock]

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/8...united-states/

Such a shame. Would this have happened under Obama?

So what is your real problem here? Canada thinks it's getting a bad deal, they filed a complaint and the WTO will decided. If found guilty I'm sure the US will be justly punished.


Also, this was happening under Obama apparently

The United States has been under fire for years about the way it calculates unfair pricing, or dumping.

[stomination]

Maybe local places could stop sucking, then. Funny how some people are all about the free market, then take refuge in tariffs and crying about unfair deals when their products aren't popular anymore.

NAFTA is probably dead anyway. Trump obviously doesn't care about it and thinks he can bully Canada and Mexico in line. Its repeal will certainly hit these two countries more than it will the US, but it will also hurt Americans who suddenly lose preferential access to their biggest market, and pushes us into the loving arms of Europe and Asia when it comes to trade deals with partners that don't throw hissy fits every time they aren't on top.

But hey, Trump gets to flex his muscles and tell everyone he's stronk because someone else got fucked a bit more than he was. Yay for him, I guess.

No one said they were sucking. Its more about pricing.

[Jastall]

No one said they were sucking. Its more about pricing.

Pricing your product badly counts as your product sucking, IMO.

[Tennis]

Doesn't like 80%+ of your population live within 100 miles of the US border? Seeking out trade deals with others is smart, but I think the US will be Canada's most important trading partner well past all of our life times unless something drastic happens like you guys up a wall on us southpark style.

It could be a setback. Who knows. Canada's economy is roaring right now.

The next President will likely negotiate a new NAFTA anyways. Just 3 more years till Orange is gone.

[MonsieuRoberts]

You are reading this.

[Noradin]

If Canada was nuked by North Korea what would your country do?

Not a good idea to piss off your protective older brother.

The only reason for any nuking of Canada by North Korea to happen would be if they aimed at the USA and missed.

[Deleted]

NAFTA doesn't matter that much anymore. We have the European trade deal, plus we'll do one with Mexico, plus we have the TPP..

US-EU trade (TTIP) was put on ice last year, obviously there is still some trade but that deal isn't going to happen.

As for TPP the US is no longer a member and the UK apparently wants to join anyway.