FBI/Mueller now investigating NRA for money laundering from Russa to Trump Campaign

[Poopymonster]

My money is he tries to leave the country and gets caught at the border

Irony: His fatass gets stuck trying to go over a barricade. A wall even...

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Well I mean there's always a citizen's arrest. I don't believe the SS is considered law enforcement so I don't imagine they'd have formal police powers.

The google machine sent me to wiki, it seems that they are.

[cubby]

Well I mean there's always a citizen's arrest. I don't believe the SS is considered law enforcement so I don't imagine they'd have formal police powers.

They do have an investigative branch (the Secret Service used to investigate - or still does - currency crimes). So they do have some LEO's. I just don't know if the Presidential Protection Detail can, well, arrest the president. That would be weird.

[alexw]

From the recently released Fusion GPS House transcript;

Ahh good old Torshin, the man who Trump Jnr "accidentally" bumped into at an NRA meeting. So many accidental meetings. Its amazing how often these things happen where Kremlin linked individuals have somehow or other accidentally bumped into people close to Trump.

[Canpinter]

They do have an investigative branch (the Secret Service used to investigate - or still does - currency crimes). So they do have some LEO's. I just don't know if the Presidential Protection Detail can, well, arrest the president. That would be weird.

while they may not be able to arrest him i think they do have some level of veto power over his actions, ie if the president wants to try chainsaw juggling i think they may be able to stop him. so they may be able to stop and detain him "for his own safety"

[Lenonis]

Now that I have time for googlefu -- yes, the secret service can arrest people. I didn't know they were considered law enforcement. Learn something new every day.

I would imagine then that yes, they could arrest the president. Although given their mission I don't see that as a very likely action on their part.

[cubby]

Now that I have time for googlefu -- yes, the secret service can arrest people. I didn't know they were considered law enforcement. Learn something new every day.

I would imagine then that yes, they could arrest the president. Although given their mission I don't see that as a very likely action on their part.

I know that the Protective Detail is a small fraction of what they do (or at least did). It's obviously the most famous division though.

[Edge-]

I know that the Protective Detail is a small fraction of what they do (or at least did). It's obviously the most famous division though.

IIRC they handle most cases involving counterfeiting, and that's one of their bigger efforts.

[Wyrt]

Good. Fuck the NRA.

[Thekri]

Well I mean there's always a citizen's arrest. I don't believe the SS is considered law enforcement so I don't imagine they'd have formal police powers.

They absolutely do, they are the law enforcement agency of the treasury department. Ironically they are the lead agency for investigating financial crimes in the first place, at least ones related to US currency.

[Stormspellz]

This is objectively false when over half of our LEGAL immigrants are on welfare. I’m sure you’ll try to spin in some nonsense about consumerism, but the reality is more than half the people we invite into this country aren’t a net gain.

Since you folks seem to be overly concerned with global warming, the increased carbon footprint of migrants compared to their nation of origin should be enough to disuade you. The looming concern of automation and job loss should cement your opposition. After all, if they can’t find gainful employment now, how will they do when less jobs are available.

Just come out and say you don’t believe in borders or the concept of citizenship. It’ll save us all a lot of grief rather than trying to mask your true intent with objectively false economic arguments. I do. I value American lives more than others. I believe it’s our elected officials’ duty to protect Americans before anyone else. You obviously disagree. But don’t pretend your reasoning is anything other than a desire for a utopia where all people are free to come and go as you please with a living wage to boot.

the study counts things like school lunches on its list of "welfare". While legal immigrants are far more likely to be on government assistance then established citizens, doesn't necessarily mean they are net negative, let alone meeting to the whole "christian nation" and "greatest country on the planet" rhetoric.

and you can "put your own citizen's first" without being a cold heart bastard ignoring others in need.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I anxiously await the first conservative who comes in here screeching that this is just a plot by liberals to overthrow a "legitimate" Trump presidency and take everyone's guns.

[Lenonis]

They absolutely do, they are the law enforcement agency of the treasury department. Ironically they are the lead agency for investigating financial crimes in the first place, at least ones related to US currency.

Yup -- later on I admitted I was wrong and corrected myself.

[Thekri]

They do have an investigative branch (the Secret Service used to investigate - or still does - currency crimes). So they do have some LEO's. I just don't know if the Presidential Protection Detail can, well, arrest the president. That would be weird.

So the actual legal ability to do so would be a subject of great debate. Below is the only actual legal framework directly addressing the presidency, this from Section 4, Article II of the constitution.

Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Now, there is over two centuries of precedent of what exactly the President is immune too while being in office. The general consensus is that he cannot be charged in any criminal court until duly impeached by Congress. (Which process is described in Article I, but it doesn't detail anything other then the process). As such an arrest would be very tricky legally, since you can't actually charge him with anything. That said, the president is explicitly NOT immune to the law, and in the event of clear illegal activity, the secret service would certainly assist whatever law enforcement agency did choose to detain him. I am almost certain they would not do it themselves though. The most likely result of something really flagrant would be detention by the FBI and the temporary assumption of the Office by the Vice President while Congress conducted the impeachment. It would probably have to be something on the lines of ordering an unprovoked Nuclear attack on Great Britain or Puerto Rico because somebody insulted him though.

[Shadowferal]

Since this thread is the current incarnation of Mueller news; bstruction Inquiry Shows Trump’s Struggle to Keep Grip on Russia Investigation

President Trump gave firm instructions in March to the White House’s top lawyer: stop the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, from recusing himself in the Justice Department’s investigation into whether Mr. Trump’s associates had helped a Russian campaign to disrupt the 2016 election.
Public pressure was building for Mr. Sessions, who had been a senior member of the Trump campaign, to step aside. But the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, carried out the president’s orders and lobbied Mr. Sessions to remain in charge of the inquiry, according to two people with knowledge of the episode.
Mr. McGahn was unsuccessful, and the president erupted in anger in front of numerous White House officials, saying he needed his attorney general to protect him. Mr. Trump said he had expected his top law enforcement official to safeguard him the way he believed Robert F. Kennedy, as attorney general, had done for his brother John F. Kennedy and Eric H. Holder Jr. had for Barack Obama.
Mr. Trump then asked, “Where’s my Roy Cohn?” He was referring to his former personal lawyer and fixer, who had been Senator Joseph R. McCarthy’s top aide during the investigations into communist activity in the 1950s and died in 1986.

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[Low Hanging Fruit]

Lock them up! Lock them up!

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My money is he tries to leave the country and gets caught at the border

Be awesome if he couldn't make it though his own pointless wall. Would be finally worth the money!

[CostinR]

I once said on this forum and that Mueller's investigation can end up throwing a lot of people in prison in Washington. Get ready for it.

[Video Games]

Wouldn't have thought about the nra doing this, but I guess we'll see.

[Breccia]

We'd seen hints and rumors of this before, dating back to March. I didn't think anything would come of it.

[alexw]

I once said on this forum and that Mueller's investigation can end up throwing a lot of people in prison in Washington. Get ready for it.

I will laugh my absolute nuts off if in a month or two down the line we hear that he is investigating senior republican members of congress. I really do wonder though, are any of them involved in this whole Russia mess? Time will tell.

[Flarelaine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...z&ocid=DELLDHP

Implicating the NRA in all this crap makes it priceless.

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This is a minor quibble especially given the confusing way the article is written but I don't believe the investigation is actually for money laundering but rather foreign agents (people/companies) funding campaign contributions for US candidates.

I don't *think* that falls under the umbrella of money laundering but rather more along the line of campaign finance rule breaking.

Could be wrong though.

Passing shady money through a legitimate-seeming actor is money laundering.

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I once said on this forum and that Mueller's investigation can end up throwing a lot of people in prison in Washington. Get ready for it.

I have some booze for the occasion.