Necromancer vs Tinker: Which class would be better for the game?

[Sencha]

None of them. Horrible idea.

[Teriz]

So very true. If I were Blizzard, I would consider...

Beastmaster (with more Bard-like influences)

Hunter spec.

Sea Witch

Abilities split between Mages, Shaman, and Hunters

or Dark Ranger.

Abilities split between Warlocks, Priests, and Hunters.

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Which is a very polite no

It's important to note that at the time of that tweet, the Tinker concept looked more like this;



Now it looks more like this;



Indicating that Rhamses is correct: The design team may have created a Tinker design that is palatable to the WoW design team.

[Darktbs]

I'm gonna keep dreaming, Hoping, and suggesting that the Tinker class must become a reality since we really need more unique class combos and more Range specs

my suggestion would be

DPS Range

Tank

healer

Ok...

o-o?

[Cyero]

How about neither? Both are stupid. One is a profession and the other is a DK specialisation. And gotta love it that even now, after like two leather classes in a row, people are still like ''oh we need mail for balance''... clearly that doesn't matter

I do think the necromancer will eventually arrive however, because it is such a classic unit and very popular at that

Don't forget Tinker classes, they are also really popular

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What separates a Necromancer from an Unholy DK or Tinker from the Engineering Profession?

The difference is one is a profession and one is an actual class, Talk back to me when you can be a viable team member by only using engineer profession and nothing else.

[Deleted]

Saying Tinker = Engineer is like saying Druid = Herbalist and Rogue = Alchemist.

[Cyero]

That wasn't a Q&A, that was a tweet from Ghostcrawler who no longer works at Blizzard. Here's the tweet in it's entirety:



https://twitter.com/OccupyGStreet/st...09768888401920

And even if we use that twitter for proof it looks like more of a maybe then a "never".

[arcaneshot]

Saying Tinker = Engineer is like saying Druid = Herbalist and Rogue = Alchemist.

But we need an Alchemist class too! Apocethary confirmed.

[Deleted]

Except if anything that means that tinkers make even less sense. How are you about to take a class that literally any other class could also do? What's to stop a rogue, mage, warrior, etc from jumping in a mech?

What's to stop a Warrior from chugging an Alchemy potion?

[Teriz]

Except if anything that means that tinkers make even less sense. How are you about to take a class that literally any other class could also do? What's to stop a rogue, mage, warrior, etc from jumping in a mech?

Just because you can sit in the cockpit of a plane doesn't mean you know how to fly a plane.

[Daedius]

Would love to see Tinkerers... one that uses robots, explosives, etc. with a steam punk get-up.

Necromancers just screams Warlock + Death Knight theme, and honestly the whole "death" theme is boring.

[Kaleredar]

We already have Necromancers, they're called "death knights."


We have Tinkers to a measure (engineers,) but Blizzard has given up on making Engineers interesting or useful so might as well add a tinker class for all the fun gadgets engineers aren't going to get.

[Deleted]

Really? Then explain how any engineer can fly a plane, and any character can pilot a mech on argus?

Checkmate.

Rogues use alchemy to create poisons and they have an ability where they chug on an alchemical potion for health.

So why can warriors also use alchemical potions? It's because professions are not classes.

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Last I checked alchemists aren't a class.

Read above

[Deleted]

Rogues also aren't alchemists.

You're making an incredibly piss poor argument for tinkers, I'm not sure what your aim is here.

Rogues use alchemy to create poisons and to heal themselves. This is EXACTLY the same as Tinkers=/=Engineers.

Their friggin logo is an alchemical jar -_-



Also resto druids are herbalists.

[Deleted]

Okay, maybe you're having trouble with what I'm saying.

the entire fucking class that is tinker literally anyone can pick up and use.

Okay, maybe you're having trouble with what I AM saying.
the entire fucking class that is rogue literally anyone can pick up and use. They use alchemy, Tinkerers use Engineering.

Also what on earth makes you think Tinkerers would be confined to what the Engineers use, for one this mech suit argument is void, as it's NOT in the game as an Engineer skill.

So please continue making an utter fool of yourself.

[Cyero]

Okay, maybe you're having trouble with what I AM saying.
the entire fucking class that is rogue literally anyone can pick up and use. They use alchemy, Tinkerers use Engineering.

Also what on earth makes you think Tinkerers would be confined to what the Engineers use, for one this mech suit argument is void, as it's NOT in the game as an Engineer skill.

So please continue making an utter fool of yourself.

I agree, his arguements are really flawed and showed his biased against having a tinker class, Like his logic is flawed just because anyone can become a tinker class doesn't mean it shouldn't exist I mean Warrior is the perfect example literally anyone can become a warrior since all you need is a melee weapon.

[Deleted]

Explain stealth, how anyone can use it, hell not even all rogue can master this one
Explain shadow step, hell not even all rogues can use it

Now, explain how someone can't pull levers, push buttons, or squeeze triggers.

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Literal years of dedication and training is why rogue and warrior are classes.

Being a 5 year old and flipping switches is why tinker isn't a class

Wow, flew right over your head didn't it. The point is Rogues use Alchemy....but it's not their entire toolkit. Tinkerer's would use engineering.......but it wouldn't be their entire toolkit.

Is Gazlowe and Gelbin 5 years old? Did they create machines and cities NO one else could? Why yes, yes they did. Also never heard of Engineering courses in real life? They require time and dedication to learn the intricacies of machinery. In fact they are high paying jobs BECAUSE of the skill it requires.

[Teriz]

Really? Then explain how any engineer can fly a plane, and any character can pilot a mech on argus?

Checkmate.

The Engineer built the plane. Gelbin for example built his mech.

As for the mech on Argus, those mechs aren't the same as the Goblin and Gnome mechs.

[Cyero]

So you're saying engineers=tinkers, got it. Thank you for accepting defeat.

Thanks captain obvious, tinkers are basically engineer who are brave enough to use technology to it's full potential in the battlefield

[Teriz]

So you're saying engineers=tinkers, got it. Thank you for accepting defeat.

All Tinkers are Engineers, but all Engineers aren't Tinkers.

[Deleted]

Tinker.

3 specs.

1. Tank, based on the mechanosuit (guns, explosives, melee clobbering).
2. Ranged, DPS based on turrets, explosives and energy beams.
3 Healer, based on fluid canisters and bots.


Mail gear.

The only problem is that it would totally fit this expansion and the devs aren't doing it. It's extremely disappointing. I still hope they find a way of doing it though.

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It didn't fly over my head at all, I'm beginning to wonder how much you don't understand....

Okay fine, I'll ask you this, and I'll make it incredibly simple.

What could a tinker make or do that would make them unique, and that no other class could do or use?

Making gadgets is literally what the profession "engineering" is, and guess what, every class can be one.

Turrets. Positional gameplay. Try Gazlowe in Heroes of the storm and you'll see.
Theres also the cool mecha suit ofc.

Also, for the love of God guys... google the definitions of engineer and tinker before you make this dumb claim that it's the same. It's not very hard... cmon...
Tinkers don't construct anything. They just use, repair and improve.