Volunteer arrested after giving food, water to undocumented immigrants in Arizona

[Martymark]

You shouldn't help people who are currently committing crimes. Be it kidnapping, breaking and entering, or illegally sneaking around foreign nations.

[Dug]

Can't have people acting Christian now can we?

[Karfal]

They're assisting illegals in breaking the law and should be punished accordingly. We don't need to make handouts the first thing someone sees when coming to a new country, especially when they're doing it the absolutely wrongest way possible.

100% correct.

[Themius]

Nothing to do with Virtue. Everything to do with helping people that aren't being criminals.

Illegal immigrants crossing the desert in danger of dying do not deserve to be left for dead.

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You shouldn't help people who are currently committing crimes. Be it kidnapping, breaking and entering, or illegally sneaking around foreign nations.

sneaking across the border isn't a major crime you know?

[FlatBootyJudy]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...rizona-n840386

Wow this is shameful. He is trying to save a life and this is what happens?

He was aiding and abetting illegal immigrants he deserves what he gets and more.

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Illegal immigrants crossing the desert in danger of dying do not deserve to be left for dead.

They shouldn't take the risk, they should come over here legally.

[Hyral]

Topic title is unsurprisingly misleading, they were given shelter as well, which is the crime.

[Themius]

He was aiding and abetting illegal immigrants he deserves what he gets and more.

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They shouldn't take the risk, they should come over here legally.

Oh hush up with that foolery.

No one who is crossing illegally should be left to die. They are coming here for hope and a new life and they shouldn't be left to die.

[Utinil]

If these people are truly "starving" or suffering from dehydration, they can go to any ICE agent, turn themselves in, and they will get food and water.

[Ghostpanther]

Ghostpanther, just because you are speeding, doesn't mean it's alright to pull you out of the car and put one in the back of your head, I don't care what any law says. That isn't justice that's insanity.

Sloppy ignorant and stupid thinking like that makes any situation worse not better. If you want to practice sadism you should go to Vegas and pay someone legally for that on your own time.

Which I never said we should do. Look, I understand how you are trying to keep your New Year's resolution by no cussing, but replacing it with hyperbole insults is worse.

[Kiri]

So, illegal immigration is a crime when it comes to people wanting to help immigrants not to die.
And it is not a crime when it comes to giving those in question legal counsel.

As such, the nature of that action seems to change, depending what is currently worse for the immigrant.

[breadisfunny]

Only if you're looking at the world in black-and-white can it be framed as a slippery slope towards anarchy!

all laws are made to be complied with. breaking of the law is wrong.

[Noxx79]

all laws are made to be complied with. breaking of the law is wrong.

Not if the law is unjust.

You’re confusing “right” with “legal”.

If there was a law that said you had to punch every third person you see, would it still be wrong to hug them instead?

[Doctor Amadeus]

Which I never said we should do. Look, I understand how you are trying to keep your New Year's resolution by no cussing, but replacing it with hyperbole insults is worse.

It isn't an insult, it's an idea for getting out personal frustrations you claim you never have, rather than taking it out on the wrong people. People break the law GP, human beings are flawed, we all make mistakes and we all have to pay for them.

But that has nothing to do with your attitude towards people. You asked me specifically about picking and choosing laws, and I simply responded to you that yes, yes we do pick our laws, and we are all accountable for our actions legally or not.

Someone coming to this country illegally is wrong, and breaking the law, then that should be dealt with humanly and without prejudice.

[Ghostpanther]

Not if the law is unjust.

You’re confusing “right” with “legal”.

If there was a law that said you had to punch every third person you see, would it still be wrong to hug them instead?

That is such a unrealistic example. lol! If I feel a law is not justified or should be changed, there are ways I can legally address those concerns. And some, no matter how I personally feel about it, they will not change and that does not give me the excuse to disobey them.

Example. I feel cannabis should be legal in my state to grow enough for my own personal use, same as it is with home brewing. With some restrictions of course. But it is not and I am not about to go out and grow a patch. I can and have expressed my concerns to my state representatives however.

[Noxx79]

That is such a unrealistic example. lol! If I feel a law is not justified or should be changed, there are ways I can legally address those concerns. And some, no matter how I personally feel about it, they will not change and that does not give me the excuse to disobey them.

Example. I feel cannabis should be legal in my state to grow enough for my own personal use, same as it is with home brewing. With some restrictions of course. But it is not and I am not about to go out and grow a patch. I can and have expressed my concerns to my state representatives however.

Ok here’s are realistic example.

I’m going to Godwin here.

Every hero who smuggled Jews out of nazi territory BROKE THE LAW. We’re they “wrong?”

Was Rosa Parks “wrong” for not moving from her seat?
We’re the founding fathers “wrong” for dumping tea into the harbor?

[sarahtasher]

The tough guys here are oozing manliness and testosterone by going ''UR UR UR, LET THEM DIE IN DUH DESERT''.

I'm sure the Spartans, the Templars, or whatever ''KOOL GUYS'' who are venerated by basement dwellers proved how tough and virile they were by squeaking about how they would let die random people. (Always unharmed people, mind you)

[pathora44]

So, illegal immigration is a crime when it comes to people wanting to help immigrants not to die.
And it is not a crime when it comes to giving those in question legal counsel.

As such, the nature of that action seems to change, depending what is currently worse for the immigrant.

Well you see them dirty bean... I mean "illegals", *wink wink, are sub human rats who deserve nothing. So if they die by drying up in the desert then the world has less of a rat problem. That is how your typical Republican thinks of illegal immigrants.

[sarahtasher]

Ok here’s are realistic example.

I’m going to Godwin here.

Every hero who smuggled Jews out of nazi territory BROKE THE LAW. We’re they “wrong?”

Was Rosa Parks “wrong” for not moving from her seat?
We’re the founding fathers “wrong” for dumping tea into the harbor?

Alt righters squeak regulary that Rosa Parks should have been shot, since she profanated the holy racist laws of the holy South. ''LAW'' is a pretty vague concept for alt-righters, except ''HAVING GUNS'' and ''KILLING PEOPLE NOT LIKE ME''

[Ghostpanther]

It isn't an insult, it's an idea for getting out personal frustrations you claim you never have, rather than taking it out on the wrong people. People break the law GP, human beings are flawed, we all make mistakes and we all have to pay for them.

But that has nothing to do with your attitude towards people. You asked me specifically about picking and choosing laws, and I simply responded to you that yes, yes we do pick our laws, and we are all accountable for our actions legally or not.

Someone coming to this country illegally is wrong, and breaking the law, then that should be dealt with humanly and without prejudice.

Of course. I never said they should not be treated humanly. In this case, Border Security did not escort them back across the border with no water or food that I am aware of. The person arrested for aiding them is committing a crime. But I am sure his reasons will be considered by whoever judges him. But he/she should not get off free of no punishment.

And yes, you were insulting by throwing out ridiculous examples of my stance.

[oxymoronic]

The tough guys here are oozing manliness and testosterone by going ''UR UR UR, LET THEM DIE IN DUH DESERT''.

I'm sure the Spartans, the Templars, or whatever ''KOOL GUYS'' who are venerated by basement dwellers proved how tough and virile they were by squeaking about how they would let die random people. (Always unharmed people, mind you)

what is UR UR UR? never heard this in my life.