Hardcore casuals ruined leveling

[Ithekro]

I think this is Blizzard telling us that they want to make the actual game the game, and not just the "End Game", cause they spent a lot of time making this game, and don't want people spamming past all of it just to get to the raiding content or top level pvp content only. There is a ton of game that people just brush off as "that annoying leveling thing" when that is most of the game and most of the crafted story content that Blizzard want you to experience.

If you are doing it for the 50th time because you are an alt-o-holic, or have 16 toons per server so you can farm transmogs, mounts, and pets....that is entirely your problem, not Blizzard's.

[upirlikhyi]

Leveling is a worst part of the game. Get rid of it.
Nothing but greed is stopping Blizzard from adding button for a choise for instant 110 lvl on character creation screens for everyone at this time.

Any Rpg requires leveling you don't like it don't do it but to change an rpg game to have 0 leveling is stupid..

[Super Kami Dende]

That's your original post and that's what I quoted. I like how you pretend you didn't edit the post.
And you lose the argument the minute you insult others for disagreeing with you.

How does disagreeing with an idiot prove losing an argument? Also, how long did it take you to reply with one sentence if people posts before you were able to see the full post?

Oh wait, I've already know why it took so long for you to. I explained it in that sentence about people that would disagree.

[Geeky]

If the forums are to be believed, leveling from 1-110 takes up to 42 hours of /played in 7.3.5. My anecdotal evidence suggest that it takes 28 hours, but that's using optimal leveling paths and popping XP potions all the way from 1-85.

In 42 hours you can also do one or more of the following:

• Participate in 14 standard raid nights (enough to clear heroic and be anywhere from halfway to 2/3 into clearing mythic)
• Bring a freshly dinged level 110 character from 800 ilvl to 930 and beyond
• Achieve 2k+ rating in PvP
• Complete all meta raid achievements
• Push a M+ key enough to appear on the leaderboards
• Watch 20 movies or finish 2 AAA games

As of 7.3.5, leveling is by far the MOST obnoxious grind in this game. You get to slog through 6 expansions' worth of outdated content at a snail's pace just to reach endgame. Getting your new alt raid-ready is a joke in comparison. People seem to misunderstand why leveling was so fast prior to 7.3.5. When you have an endgame-centered MMO, you can't force people to play through ALL of the outdated content. That's just too big of an investment to unlock the endgame.

Making zones scale was a step in the right direction, nuking heirlooms and other XP-enhancing items was 10 steps back. I'm not someone who gets discouraged easily; I wiped 500+ times on mythic Kil'Jaeden before killing him. Slogging through outdated content broke me. Listening to hardcore casuals who have the time to level 24/7 but can't play endgame for x reason is BAD. Making leveling 1-110 take 2x or even 3x longer was a dumb decision.

Sounds like the same rambling complaining that has been on the forums for the last couple of weeks, and I'm sorry but 2 to 3 times longer to level? Not sure how you level but that is a pretty big exaggeration.

[Super Kami Dende]

Why should I send him the funds. He hates leveling yet he refuses to use the options available to him.

I actually enjoy leveling, In relevant content. A boost would send me to 110, which would skip the fun I have from 100-110.

Also I shouldn't be required to pay $60 to resume playing how I had been playing for the 8 years before the patch.

[Minikin]

I thought the casuals were the people that preferred easy leveling?

That's what I thought too! I'm so confused with all these terminologies....

[Verithros55]

well at this point in time the leveling is as it is, and many people like it that way, while the other half don't like it because they never experienced a real grind like vanilla.

[Super Kami Dende]

Jesus wept, you whining kids need to perhaps play FF14 or LOTRO and level an alt, before whining about taking a long time.

42 hours will probably get you about 1/3 of the way to max level, if that, and same people going on about Vanilla experience and whatnot? Jesus, you're in for a rude awakening.

I do play FF14, I enjoy the Leveling in FF14. It doesn't mean I have to accept the same gameplay in a different game.

[Krigaren]

No its not, it doenst matter how the game was at one point

It does matter when the OP keeps making claims about how the game was "never" the way that it actually was. It does matter when the OP tries to cry that the game is "ruined" due to changes that are still mild variations of what the game was like during it's heyday when it had millions more subscribers.

Lying about a macro that didn't exist and stroking your epeen, however, has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[Eviscero]

The OP is a behind-the-curve-mythic-raider who wants his experience to be as easy as possible but still wants to brag to people who don't know better about his mythic clears. Complaining about leveling in a game with a character boost option is hilarious. If you were serious about pushing high end content you'd have your lineup of 110s covering every role, with multiple options per role. Srsly, who doesn't have a 80+ of every class at this point?

[Pendraeg]

Can we start what I am sure is to be an overwhelmingly civil and productive discussion here by defining what a "hardcore casual" is supposed to be in context?

I think I can own that title. I'm a player who does play quite a bit, but, because of my job, I can't commit to a raid schedule (as I post from the airport on a business trip to Mexico). I have 13 110's and another 3 100+.

[Tiwack]

Why should I send him the funds. He hates leveling yet he refuses to use the options available to him.

Perhaps he thinks he's already paying enough just to access the game in the first place? He's just sugesting a third alternative between two bad options in his mind. Nothing wrong with that.

[yoma]

Don't resort to absolutes. NOTHING in this game is even remotely hard. What my argument boils down to is that you can clear the current raid on mythic in less time than it takes to level 2 characters from 1 to 110 which IMO is bullshit. Raiding is the real meat of this game, not leveling. If leveling was always as tedious as it is right now, nobody would have complained. No one likes it when things that were previously quick and easy suddenly become tedious.

Pay for a level boost then. That sounds pretty "hardcore" to me.

[Niwes]

ppl should learn the difference between

- leveling first or second toon
- leveling once or twice a year

and

- leveling 12 classes every fukin xpac to max
- leveling 6 allied races for heritage armor 20-110

the difference is, if you are a completionist and you play that game since 10+ years, you maybe want collect heritage armors and you maybe have another point of view than a casual leveling a char once in 2+ years, going „leveling is fine now“.

and whoever wanna tell me, that leveling 6 x from 20 to 110 is NOT boring, just is straight lying or never even did that.

[Verithros55]

Can you quite that? i cant find it




sry if you never raided when sunwell was current, but it does not make it lying, neither does i need to stroke my epeen. I just dont want read about the old times because its nonsense and only morons argument like this way. As in it was this way and it should stay because herp derp

well as this is the internet. screenshot or it didn't happen

[Erwarth]

ppl should learn the difference between

- leveling first or second toon
- leveling once or twice a year

and

- leveling 12 classes every fukin xpac to max
- leveling 6 allied races for heritage armor 20-110

the difference is, if you are a completionist and you play that game since 10+ years, you maybe want collect heritage armors and you maybe have another point of view than a casual leveling a char once in 2+ years, going „leveling is fine now“.

and whoever wanna tell me, that leveling 6 x from 20 to 110 is NOT boring, just is straight lying or never even did that.

Nobody force you to do that.

The problem is on YOUR side for doing things you don't like.

[Judic]

My main thing is, all these people saying "But I'm having fun leveling slow now!" Yeah well good for you, but myself and many others loathe it.

All Blizzard has to do is increase Heirloom EXP gain by 3x. People that enjoy slow leveling can still do it, people that don't, don't have to.

EASY FUCKING SOLUTION for which I don't understand why it can't be implemented, since it would literally make both sides happy..

Noone could possibly have a disagreement to it without just being an idiot.

There is a solution, buy a boost.

Just because the vocal minority is upset about having leveling take an extra 10 hours (which is a stretch), doesn't mean they are right.

Honestly, would you have even noticed this change if they didn't release allied races?

[Minikin]

My main thing is, all these people saying "But I'm having fun leveling slow now!" Yeah well good for you, but myself and many others loathe it.

All Blizzard has to do is increase Heirloom EXP gain by 3x. People that enjoy slow leveling can still do it, people that don't, don't have to.

EASY FUCKING SOLUTION for which I don't understand why it can't be implemented, since it would literally make both sides happy..

Noone could possibly have a disagreement to it without just being an idiot.

U know that's actually not a bad idea. How about this for a little change to it.

1. Heirloom gear provides stats like agility and what not that u need so you have that.

2. The exp stat can be player decided. From a min of 0% to a Max of 15% boost (per piece or overall I dunno which ever works).

This way for a player who has a main and is leveling an alt has two options
1. I want to level quick: switch boost on.
2. I want to take my time see the story: switch boost off.

Leaves it in the hands of the player and ends the debate.

[Super Kami Dende]

Wouldn't work because time has already shown that people who love for things to be "harder" (read: tedious) still can't help themselves but to use any available convenience to make things quicker despite insisting they don't like that. They just can't bear knowing it took you only 35 hours to level while it took them 42 because they didn't use heirlooms, even though they claim to want it to take longer.

People are dumb, basicallly.

Which is why I said anyone against the idea would be an idiot. Since if people complained they felt forced to use heirlooms after saying they enjoy slow leveling they would infact be idiots.

[Judic]

ppl should learn the difference between

- leveling first or second toon
- leveling once or twice a year

and

- leveling 12 classes every fukin xpac to max
- leveling 6 allied races for heritage armor 20-110

the difference is, if you are a completionist and you play that game since 10+ years, you maybe want collect heritage armors and you maybe have another point of view than a casual leveling a char once in 2+ years, going „leveling is fine now“.

and whoever wanna tell me, that leveling 6 x from 20 to 110 is NOT boring, just is straight lying or never even did that.

Wait, do you mean to tell me blizzard should balance this stuff for people who are completionists? This sounds like a you problem instead of a blizzard problem.