Battle for Azeroth Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[MrDragon]

Well, no.

This is how Blackrock Mountain instances really look:


RIP Hayvenn

Clipping galore if you tried to port them into the world map.

Read my post carefully and then try again. It's a suggestion of a change to the actual world. I did not say: "they could just remove the instance portal" which is what you are erroneously assuming I said.

Also linking a Blackwing Lair video when we're talking about BRD is completely irrelevant.

[8bithamster]

Read my post carefully and then try again. It's a suggestion of a change to the actual world. I did not say: "they could just remove the instance portal" which is what you are erroneously assuming I said.

You got shown why "loading in the area" doesn't work. There is not enough room in the world map to get that to work.. so again, what point are you trying to make?

[Leodok]

.... What? That makes no sense whatsoever.

"Look, we have nature magic"
"Look, we have arcane magic"
"Look, we have arcane magic at night"
"Look, we have arcane magic during the day and maybe some fel too"
"Look, we have shadow magic"

They're all the same. Their culture changes very little, and it's always "generic elf race #37, now with a different magic or in a different time of the day"
Humans have variation. Look at Ku'tiras, then look at Gilneas, then look at Stormwind.

[MrDragon]

You got shown why "loading in the area" doesn't work. There is not enough room in the world map to get that to work.. so again, what point are you trying to make?

Because as it stands BRD doesn't EXIST outside of the instance so ofcourse not. However the entire area is in the game files as an instance and could be added the same way as they add ANY interior area. Actual playable parts of BRD could be attached to the world map in the same way as they have made any other changes to the Kalimdor or Eastern Kingdoms world map over the years with a lot less effort because everything they need to attach is already there in the instance file.
To grossly oversimply for a second: They could copy-paste the relevant chunks of BRD behind the instance portal and then remove it.
Also the Video linked shows BLACKWING LAIR, not BRD.

[Yarathir]

"Look, we have nature magic"
"Look, we have arcane magic"
"Look, we have arcane magic at night"
"Look, we have arcane magic during the day and maybe some fel too"
"Look, we have shadow magic"

They're all the same. Their culture changes very little, and it's always "generic elf race #37, now with a different magic or in a different time of the day"
Humans have variation. Look at Ku'tiras, then look at Gilneas, then look at Stormwind.

Gilneans had to steal a part of kaldorei culture and history in order to be different enough to warrant being a race, though. :^)

[Pulp5850]

Is today the big day ? I hope

[8bithamster]

Because as it stands BRD doesn't EXIST outside of the instance so ofcourse not. However the entire area is in the game files as an instance and could be added the same way as they add ANY interior area. Actual playable parts of BRD could be attached to the world map in the same way as they have made any other changes to the Kalimdor or Eastern Kingdoms world map over the years with a lot less effort because everything they need to attach is already there in the instance file.
To grossly oversimply for a second: They could copy-paste the relevant chunks of BRD behind the instance portal and then remove it.
Also the Video linked shows BLACKWING LAIR, not BRD.

Again, it.. doesn't... fit!

[MrDragon]

Again, it.. doesn't... fit!

Why wouldn't it fit? the video has nothing to do with anything we were talking about.
Do you know what the difference is between BWL and BRD? and why BWL even has terrain outside of the playable area? (hint: Nefarian Bossfight)

[roninwookie]

Again, it.. doesn't... fit!

The could make the "non instanced" portion fit though and have the huge parts (the dungeons) be put behind portals. Wouldn't be that difficult of a workaround. But you are right, the entire thing would not fit where it is located, portal to portal.

[MrDragon]

The could make the "non instanced" portion fit though and have the huge parts (the dungeons) be put behind portals. Wouldn't be that difficult of a workaround. But you are right, the entire thing would not fit where it is located, portal to portal.

All of Shadowforge city is underground, waaay deeper than any existing parts of playable EK geography so of-course it could fit portal to portal.
BWL and BRD are completely different instances.

[Venziir]

"Look, we have nature magic"
"Look, we have arcane magic"
"Look, we have arcane magic at night"
"Look, we have arcane magic during the day and maybe some fel too"
"Look, we have shadow magic"

They're all the same. Their culture changes very little, and it's always "generic elf race #37, now with a different magic or in a different time of the day"
Humans have variation. Look at Ku'tiras, then look at Gilneas, then look at Stormwind.

..... Sigh. Your logic is a mess.

[Shadochi]

Why wouldn't it fit? the video has nothing to do with anything we were talking about.
Do you know what the difference is between BWL and BRD? and why BWL even has terrain outside of the playable area? (hint: Nefarian Bossfight)

None of the Blackrock dungeons/raids fir into the actual blackrock mountain. They were created at a time when putting a dungeon area in the world wasn't common practice and thus made dungeons much larger than the actual zone they are (Ofc they could do this by making it be under ground level and not in the mountain).

[MrDragon]

None of the Blackrock dungeons/raids fir into the actual blackrock mountain. They were created at a time when putting a dungeon area in the world wasn't common practice and thus made dungeons much larger than the actual zone they are (Ofc they could do this by making it be under ground level and not in the mountain).

That bit, that's the important bit. I'm starting to wonder if the people in this thread have ever manually entered Black Rock Depths before because the instance portal is in the deepest part of the mountain, deeper than ground-level of the surrounding zones.
It's a sprawling labyrinth BENEATH the mountain, it doesn't have to fit inside of it, it was never even implied to be inside of it but beneath it.

[roninwookie]

All of Shadowforge city is underground, waaay deeper than any existing parts of playable EK geography so of-course it could fit portal to portal.
BWL and BRD are completely different instances.

It's up against lava where it's currently at. Behind the instance portal would be 5 ft of rock then lava death. Again, they could finagle the layout and replace the instances and such, but as is, there is no real world room for anything.

[Lahis]

Read my post carefully and then try again. It's a suggestion of a change to the actual world. I did not say: "they could just remove the instance portal" which is what you are erroneously assuming I said.

No.

I never said they'd be "just removing instance portal".

The instance wouldn't fit into real world, it is too big. That's why it's an instance.

[Tartys]

As for Zandalari Paladins, I don't see why not. Loa can grant Light. Vol'jin himself used both Shadow and Light abilities as a Shadow Hunter.
And if you got Light, you can develop a way to turn a warrior into a vessel of it, to forge a holy warrior paladin type thing.

I don't see why ANY races can access at ANY class. Class restrictions, at this point, are a crap.
Lightforged dreanei shadow priest, Void elf/ Undead holy priest, are the proof that all this restrictions are ridiculous by now.

If, even a Nathrezim, can be infused with the Light, this means that every races can be... and same for Void: Magatha Grimtotem is a shaman but she use void/dark magic, and also we have dark shamans that use Void to enslave the elements, so why there aren't shaman among Void Elf?

Melee class like warrior, hunter or rogue can be avaiable for everyone, and an argument like "draenei are too big for be rogue" is a bullshit, because if a race can be so agily to be a monk, can be a rogue as well.

Why the hell Tauren can't be Mage? They can manage pratically all kind of elements/magic: nature, frost, fire, light, holy and shadow but are unable to cast a frost bolt?
Why a Pandaren cant be a druid, is already in bear form or Wargen cant be a monk?

Every races live side by side with others from the same faction with different classes, is very possible that any of them wanna try to study a different discipline.

Class restrictions for the old races must be remuved.

[MrDragon]

It's up against lava where it's currently at. Behind the instance portal would be 5 ft of rock then lava death. Again, they could finagle the layout and replace the instances and such, but as is, there is no real world room for anything.

When I overlay the maps I'd end up somewhere deep beneath on the south side of the sea of cinders, which, contrary to the name, is just a flat ash plain with spiders crawling around.

No.

I never said they'd be "just removing instance portal".

The instance wouldn't fit into real world, it is too big. That's why it's an instance.

And I'm saying there is plenty of space beneath Searing Gorge and the Badlands for the playable parts of BRD. Which is, if you were to place them portal-to-portal, where BRD would be. You can easily test this by overlaying the instance map onto the world map of EK.

This part:
http://www.realpapa.ru/hobby/wow/images/brd.jpg
You put that under ground where it would be normally, at most the ceiling might clip through the ground of the searing gorge. Which is a simple edit to make and not that unusual for WoW caves as is.

[Deleted]

I don't see why ANY races can access at ANY class. Class restrictions, at this point, are a crap.
Lightforged dreanei shadow priest, Void elf/ Undead holy priest, are the proof that all this restrictions are ridiculous by now.

If, even a Nathrezim, can be infused with the Light, this means that every races can be... and same for Void: Magatha Grimtotem is a shaman but she use void/dark magic, and also we have dark shamans that use Void to enslave the elements, so why there aren't shaman among Void Elf?

Melee class like warrior, hunter or rogue can be avaiable for everyone, and an argument like "draenei are too big for be rogue" is a bullshit, because if a race can be so agily to be a monk, can be a rogue as well.

Why the hell Tauren can't be Mage? They can manage pratically all kind of elements/magic: nature, frost, fire, light, holy and shadow but are unable to cast a frost bolt?
Why a Pandaren cant be a druid, is already in bear form or Wargen cant be a monk?

Every races live side by side with others from the same faction with different classes, is very possible that any of them wanna try to study a different discipline.

Class restrictions for the old races must be remuved.

I'd love to see a draenei or tauren try to sneak with those hooves.

[8bithamster]

Why wouldn't it fit? the video has nothing to do with anything we were talking about.
Do you know what the difference is between BWL and BRD? and why BWL even has terrain outside of the playable area? (hint: Nefarian Bossfight)

Hint; I am talking about BRD, NOT BWL

BRD the dwarf city, the place with the escort quest back in vanilla..

[MrDragon]

Hint; I am talking about BRD, NOT BWL

BRD the dwarf city, the place with the escort quest back in vanilla..

The video was about BWL, which I never brought up, at all and has nothing to do with anything.