Denmark formally proposes ban on Islamic full-face veil in public

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Good, it's pure oppression.

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To reiterate this point, this law is to bamboozle the right. It's an act of ''play pretend'', to pick an non existent issue to act ''tough on immigration''.

Because, again, a minuscule minority of Muslim women wear the burqah. Across the entire Canada, maybe 100 or 150. Which does not prevent the Tories to build entire narrative about how this is an affront to Canadian democracy and so forth.

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I know it's VERY hard to fathom for some people, but banning the burqah is not banning the veil wore by around 99% of conservative muslim women. It's especially not banning muslims, as some people drool about.

More liberal lies.

Even in my small town in Sweden the shopping malls are littered with burqah wearing women. Yes the full body covering burqah with the little viewing port by the face. I see them all the time at buss stops, shops etc.

However it is probable that it's just a way to take the spot light off the real problems with immigration. Meaning stopping it entirely until we get our countries under control again. The problems are so enormous and disastrous right now it boggles the mind. I don't think the general public in Sweden realize just how bad it has gotten. In many part of Sweden you have to wait MONTHS to see specialist doctors. Can you believe that? And this is in a country where over 64% of our salary get eaten up by taxes, we have a 25% VAT on everything we buy and extra taxes and fees tacked on many other products and services.

Sweden is (was) probably one of the easiest countries in the world to manage. You'd have to actively sabotage it in order to fail.

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Good, it's pure oppression.

It is but it is way more effective to target the source of the oppression, not the tools they happen to be using.
In this case, it can hurt peoples freedom without any actual positive gain.

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Oh look, our resident danish racist has been banned again, what are the odds! Who could have predicted he'd say shit to get this to happen to him?!

Yeah, I'm not sure why they let him back, again and again.

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So just burqas, niqabs or all facial coverings (outside of winter)?

Niqabs Burqas ski masks. But there are expentions.

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Denmark should be careful, it was stuff like this that caused the Islamic extremists to rise up against Assad.

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Most likely, yes.

You can, but you will be arrested.

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Burqa and Niqab bans are senseless and stupid.

The argument is that forcing women to wear them is inhumane and we shouldn't tolerate that. Yes?
That can be boiled down to "forcing women to dress a certain way is bad".

Well, you can't fix that problem by forcing women to dress a certain way. Rather than standing up for women's rights and freedoms, you're just arguing with the far-right Muslim fundamentalists about which of you gets to enforce women's dress. That's not a step forward. If it were happening in nations like Iran, it would be a step sideways, at best. In developed nations with strong protections for women's rights, these laws are a big leap backwards.

It´s really a ban to cover your face in public places, you can´t cover it with a ski mask motorcycle helmet etc,

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Wish politicians here would have the balls to introduce something similar.



Not here in Sweden at least, if someone reports you for it you can be convicted of disorderly conduct or sexual harassment.

You can go to jail for being naked inside your own home with the windows open in Canada...

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You can, but you will be arrested.

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It´s really a ban to cover your face in public places, you can´t cover it with a ski mask motorcycle helmet etc,

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Yeah and it'll be a bitch when you actually might want to cover your face such as with a helmet. There really is no need for it and thats also not the reason for the ban either.

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Burqa and Niqab bans are senseless and stupid.

The argument is that forcing women to wear them is inhumane and we shouldn't tolerate that. Yes?
That can be boiled down to "forcing women to dress a certain way is bad".

Well, you can't fix that problem by forcing women to dress a certain way. Rather than standing up for women's rights and freedoms, you're just arguing with the far-right Muslim fundamentalists about which of you gets to enforce women's dress. That's not a step forward. If it were happening in nations like Iran, it would be a step sideways, at best. In developed nations with strong protections for women's rights, these laws are a big leap backwards.

I like how you call it stupid when you dont even know the full argument.

Makes one think who the stupid one really is eh

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Yeah and it'll be a bitch when you actually might want to cover your face such as with a helmet. There really is no need for it and thats also not the reason for the ban either.

You can still use a helmet while on a MC.

I know you like ti spout shit wtihout actually knowing shit so here is some background info.

In Denmark we have had a lot of problem with young outlaws who terrorize our streets wearing masks so they cant be recognized. There are even examples of people wearing riligeous clothing to disguise their identity.

This law prohibits all that, for good reason.

So yes, there is a need for it.

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You can still use a helmet while on a MC.

I know you like ti spout shit wtihout actually knowing shit so here is some background info.

In Denmark we have had a lot of problem with young outlaws who terrorize our streets wearing masks so they cant be recognized. There are even examples of people wearing riligeous clothing to disguise their identity.

This law prohibits all that, for good reason.

So yes, there is a need for it.

Thats a problem but banning the use of clothing such as this will hardly help you fix that.
It'll get these assholes even more worked up and they sure as heck won't stop using masks when they are out to "terrorize" as that is clearly illegal in itself. Why would they care about this law if they are already out to break ones that would clearly give them even harsher sentences? Your logic is flawed at best.

And to be fair, how many of these "young outlaws" are actually women? This is a law that will in 99% of the cases, only affect women.

Again, you need to get to the root of the problem and a silly headdress is not it.

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Good, it's pure oppression.

Yes, forcing people to wear clothing is oppression...

I'm not sure you understand the irony of your comment.

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Now they just have to take the ban a step further.

Why do people hate freedom of speech and expression so much?

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Ah yes, the goverment dictating what you should wear. What a lovely plan.

As much as I disagree with it, it's more so telling them what not to wear on a single region of their body.

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Yes, forcing people to wear clothing is oppression...

Forcing to fully conceal themselves at all time in public indeed is.

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I think all clothing that will cover your face in public places should be removed incl Muslim related gear.
Really don't care what others think about my opinion. Religion is outdated and should be banned as well.

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Thats a problem but banning the use of clothing such as this will hardly help you fix that.
It'll get these assholes even more worked up and they sure as heck won't stop using masks when they are out to "terrorize" as that is clearly illegal in itself. Why would they care about this law if they are already out to break ones that would clearly give them even harsher sentences? Your logic is flawed at best.

And to be fair, how many of these "young outlaws" are actually women? This is a law that will in 99% of the cases, only affect women.

Again, you need to get to the root of the problem and a silly headdress is not it.

The idea is to be able to arrest/detain them as soon as they start wearing the masks instead of not being able to arrest them before they have riled eachother up enough to commit actual crimes.

Everyone knows whats going to happen when they put on the masks, but the police can do nothing because they do it under cover of an organized demonstration almost everytime.

And some of the instances we have had has been men wearing these religious garbs to avoid suspicion. I know this has happened with terrorist attacks in other places around the world aswell(not that it actually matters if its male or female, just that people can hide their face in general being the problem).

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No one is being forced in a democratic country. The women can choose what they want to wear. That right is being taken from them.

Right, that's why so many women in the immigrant heavy suburbs are complaining about being forced to wear specific clothes here in Sweden. That's why many women in those suburbs carry another set of clothes they change into when they've left the suburb, outside of the mens views.

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No one is being forced in a democratic country. The women can choose what they want to wear. That right is being taken from them.

While this is mostly true there are cases of men/the family forcing woman to wear these garbs in Denmark aswell. Mostly its just done due to their religious belief which some argue is equally forceful. And then there are some who claim they fully choose it themself because... idk i dont think i've ever actually heard a valid reason for wearing one other then my religion dictates it. Which imo is fine as long as we are talking about stuff like a small hat, a necklace or whatever. But not something that covers up their entire face

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Forcing to fully conceal themselves at all time in public indeed is.

Forcing them to not wear the clothes they want to wear indeed is.

Let me know when you figure out the irony of your statement.

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I think all clothing that will cover your face in public places should be removed incl Muslim related gear.
Really don't care what others think about my opinion. Religion is outdated and should be banned as well.

How very fascist of you.

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Forcing them to not wear the clothes they want to wear indeed is.

Let me know when you figure out the irony of your statement.

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How very fascist of you.

Freedom of wearing whatever you want vs wanting to be able to see the person you are talking to and their facial expressions.

I'd choose number 2

If a person with a motorcykle helmet walked into a store i owned(i dont own one) i'd ask him to remove the helmet

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What members of families do is not relevant to limiting people's freedom to dress as they choose.

Ofcourse it is?

They are limiting their freedom to wear what they want aswell?

Arguably much worse since "you cant wear that" < "You can ONLY wear that"