The Brexit aftermath thread

[Noradin]

forecasts are either wrong or right. everyone predicted the 2017 GDP for "Brexit Britain" incorrectly. i showed this as much a few pages back.

if they fail to get the forecasts for the following year correct (and they were also wildly inaccurate), why should we pay any attention to their forecasts for 15 years into the future?

these forecasts are just another dose of project fear. project reality is that the majority of leave voters voted leave in spite of an economic impact. there is more to brexit than simply an economy. when will remoaners understand this -.-

Yes, just dismiss them and assume the opposite, just as I said.

And btw., wasn't your favourite outcome the total destruction of the British economy so the Tories are done for for eternity?
Didn't you want to observe (from France) how Labour tries to implement all those nice ideas they supposedly have?

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I mean, those numbers are not really scary. They are not predicting a recession, they are just saying growth will slow. A 3% growth reduced by 15% is still 2,55% growth. Nothing scary about that. Just slightly worse off.

That is what scares Floopa, though, Floopa wants the UK to crash hard so that there can be a revolution.

[Floopa]

Yes, just dismiss them and assume the opposite, just as I said.

And btw., wasn't your favourite outcome the total destruction of the British economy so the Tories are done for for eternity?
Didn't you want to observe (from France) how Labour tries to implement all those nice ideas they supposedly have?

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That is what scares Floopa, though, Floopa wants the UK to crash hard so that there can be a revolution.

hmm, im not moving to france.

the economy wont ever "crash" but Brexit is proving to be a distraction which is tearing the conservatives apart and they have no room to fix actual problems in the UK: nhs funding, education, crime, wage stagnation. all of this just spurs the idea of nationalisation and social democracy on and on. i voted leave primarily in protest of david cameron, the guy is a knobhead, but im also we're leaving the eu because a USE which belittles our parliamentary sovereignty and our monarchy would be the worst.

might move to italy tho, but it's a bit scary afaik

[Noradin]

hmm, im not moving to france.

the economy wont ever "crash" but Brexit is proving to be a distraction which is tearing the conservatives apart and they have no room to fix actual problems in the UK: nhs funding, education, crime, wage stagnation. all of this just spurs the idea of nationalisation and social democracy on and on. i voted leave primarily in protest of david cameron, the guy is a knobhead, but im also we're leaving the eu because a USE which belittles our parliamentary sovereignty and our monarchy would be the worst.

might move to italy tho, but it's a bit scary afaik

Brexit is what will dimish your parliamentary sovereignty in the long run.

[Dhrizzle]

those numbers are pure guess work. no-one can predict what happens 15 years from now, otherwise we would've had "experts" and "professionals" predict the 2007-8 financial crash in 1992-3 (obviously didn't happen). the earliest predictions of a financial crash came in 2003~ from Vince Cable afaik.

the real victory of Brexit is the actual chance of a social democratic party being in power (which if happens, they probably stay in power forever).

This is a joke, yes? You don't really thing that voting for the Conservative's wet dream and handing them control during this crisis will benefit anyone but the Conservatives, do you?

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forecasts are either wrong or right. everyone predicted the 2017 GDP for "Brexit Britain" incorrectly. i showed this as much a few pages back.

if they fail to get the forecasts for the following year correct (and they were also wildly inaccurate), why should we pay any attention to their forecasts for 15 years into the future?

these forecasts are just another dose of project fear. project reality is that the majority of leave voters voted leave in spite of an economic impact. there is more to brexit than simply an economy. when will remoaners understand this -.-

Unlike Brexiteers with the resources at hand to skip the country if things go tits-up, a lot of "Remoaners" give a shit about this country and worry about the effects of allowing the Tory party to redefine Britain's trading relations as it is unlikely to benefit the less well-off and will damage our already gutted public institutions like the NHS.

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hmm, im not moving to france.

the economy wont ever "crash" but Brexit is proving to be a distraction which is tearing the conservatives apart and they have no room to fix actual problems in the UK: nhs funding, education, crime, wage stagnation. all of this just spurs the idea of nationalisation and social democracy on and on. i voted leave primarily in protest of david cameron, the guy is a knobhead, but im also we're leaving the eu because a USE which belittles our parliamentary sovereignty and our monarchy would be the worst.

might move to italy tho, but it's a bit scary afaik

You dislike Cameron so you voted for Johnson and Reese-Mogg? What about those two makes you think they are in support of some kind of socialist utopia? You realise the Tories don't mind if social institutions in the UK fail as it gives them an excuse to push for more privatisation?

[Mayhem]

might move to italy tho, but it's a bit scary afaik

Wait, what?

[Deleted]

Floopa you can't be more wrong. Brexit is based entirely on ideology. It has nothing to do with facts, economics or well much of anything in reality. The conservatives introduced a purely ideological split in society and are now pursuing it at the expense of the country. Its fucking terrible.

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hmm, im not moving to france.

the economy wont ever "crash" but Brexit is proving to be a distraction which is tearing the conservatives apart and they have no room to fix actual problems in the UK: nhs funding, education, crime, wage stagnation. all of this just spurs the idea of nationalisation and social democracy on and on. i voted leave primarily in protest of david cameron, the guy is a knobhead, but im also we're leaving the eu because a USE which belittles our parliamentary sovereignty and our monarchy would be the worst.

might move to italy tho, but it's a bit scary afaik

Some people shouldn't have been allowed to vote. Case in point.

[Floopa]

Some people shouldn't have been allowed to vote. Case in point.

well thankfully we live in a democracy

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well thankfully we live in a democracy

Yes we do, and people who abuse the privilege of a vote so they can "stick it" to a politician when that politician had absolutely nothing to do with the vote in question, should have that privilege removed.

I feel the same about people who don't vote. If you don't vote, you shouldn't be able to vote because you've proven you don't give a damn about our country.

[Floopa]

Yes we do, and people who abuse the privilege of a vote so they can "stick it" to a politician when that politician had absolutely nothing to do with the vote in question, should have that privilege removed.

I feel the same about people who don't vote. If you don't vote, you shouldn't be able to vote because you've proven you don't give a damn about our country.

good thing dictators like u will never get into power

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good thing dictators like u will never get into power

And an awful thing that children like you get a say in how this country is run.

[Mayhem]

@Floopa have you read up on what your chances are about moving to italy once the UK left the EU?

[Floopa]

@Floopa have you read up on what your chances are about moving to italy once the UK left the EU?

i will do it b4.

UK wont leave eu until 2020 if we do a transition period. just need to make sure cri and i get on

[Demolitia]

hmm, im not moving to france.

the economy wont ever "crash" but Brexit is proving to be a distraction which is tearing the conservatives apart and they have no room to fix actual problems in the UK: nhs funding, education, crime, wage stagnation. all of this just spurs the idea of nationalisation and social democracy on and on. i voted leave primarily in protest of david cameron, the guy is a knobhead, but im also we're leaving the eu because a USE which belittles our parliamentary sovereignty and our monarchy would be the worst.

might move to italy tho, but it's a bit scary afaik

They've had almost 40 years before Brexit to fix this. None of these are new problems.

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i will do it b4.

UK wont leave eu until 2020 if we do a transition period. just need to make sure cri and i get on

Enjoy the double taxation.

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@Floopa have you read up on what your chances are about moving to italy once the UK left the EU?

Loads of options.

1. Spend a few years in Ireland and get an EU passport
2. A boat across the med (as a refugee) via Tripoli for free pan European housing, schooling, medical, social benefits etc.
3. Most likely the cake and eat it option will apply following a recent court case win.

All British people aged 5 years plus have been legally EU citizens for the last 5 years. Legal EU residence for the last five years provides EU citizenship on top of national citizenship, therefore 60 million Brits will retain that post Brexit - You can't take someones citizenship away. Only EU citizens trying to come the other way to the UK will not be allowed to easily = freedom of movement stays for the British, but lost for Europeans.

Here's what the lawyer says....

"The case - if determined by the CJEU in our favour - could lead not only to the retention of EU citizenship for UK residents living in the EU. It could lead to all born before Brexit - even if living here in the UK - retaining the boon of EU citizenship."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-36579642.html

Yet another win for Brexit.

[Deleted]

If Brexit fails we'll be able to flood the continent like those darned foreigners that we don't want flooding the UK.

Yet another victory for Brexit?

[Noradin]

Nonsense the EU has no power to strip states of power. The states themselves decide to hand it over.

They do not hand it over even, they delegate it.

[Vankrys]

What don't you get it. This is a lie. The moment Britain voted brexit God himself came down from heavens and blessed the UK into a new golden age where it rained glory, gave sunshine of fortune and everyone became millionares overnight. How dare you post something that says it isn't going to be all conquering return to the new British Empire under the triumvirate of his high lord Nigel Farage, Sir Boris of Johnson and Michael Gove the Earl of Winchester.

Slightly off topic but a question i have, is the UK very religious? I know the US is heavily religious, but my understanding was that most Europeans countries walked away from their religious tradition.

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Slightly off topic but a question i have, is the UK very religious? I know the US is heavily religious, but my understanding was that most Europeans countries walked away from their religious tradition.

nah gods dead in the UK. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...titudes-survey

If we take the brexit approach its a majority so we should burn down the churches, mosques and synagogue and divorce ourselves from citizens who still believe.

The UK (infact mainly the English) does think it is the center of the earth, that is a genuine attitude, arrogance of the legacy of empire.

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Slightly off topic but a question i have, is the UK very religious? I know the US is heavily religious, but my understanding was that most Europeans countries walked away from their religious tradition.

Not really, you'll find a number of people who pay lip service to Christianity, maybe go to a few services a year.

Going by the 2011 Census, nearly 60% of England identified as Christian, but I can guarantee you the majority of those people are Christian in name only.

Ofcourse there's a few outliers in the UK, like Northern Ireland, where religion is taken far more seriously.