Do you think Mike Pence should have acknowledged Kim Jong Un's sister

[Blobfish]

I mean she was sitting just at the back of Vice President Mike Pence during the Winter Olympic's opening ceremony.

Maybe it would have gone someway of bringing in some kind of dialogue about North Korea's Nukes.

Do you think VP Pence was told beforehand not to acknowledge her.?
The Vice President seems such an amiable guy, it was probably hard for him not to acknowledge her.

Now there is a photo of Kim Jong's sister giving VP Mike Pence a kind of evil stare.

I wonder what she is thinking?

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/k...e-pence-2018-2

[NED funded]

This is going to be one of the few things I applaud Mike Pence. He made the right choice by not acknowledging her.

[Xeones]

The Vice President seems such an amiable guy

You think someone who is most well known in politics for bigotry is an amiable guy?

[PACOX]

Not the best diplomatic move of the current administration.

The US is on the path of losing SKs favor to NK

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-o...-idUSKBN1FU05F

If fine if the US wants yields its influence to a unified Korea or at least a cooperative SK and NK. Terrible if the US wants to maintain its strategic position in the area. At this point the US has to work towards convincing SK to maintain US interests, that the US can somehow offer a better path to peace. Hopefully the US isnt using its Cold War playbook, which means the US would rather destabilize the entire region than to see itself left out of peace talks.

NK will definitely paint the US as the spoiler of peace though.

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This is going to be one of the few things I applaud Mike Pence. He made the right choice by not acknowledging her.

Diplomacy doesnt work if you refuse to speak to the opposition.

[NED funded]

Not the best diplomatic move of the current administration.

The US is on the path of losing SKs favor to NK

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-o...-idUSKBN1FU05F

If fine if the US wants yields its influence to a unified Korea or at least a cooperative SK and NK. Terrible if the US wants to maintain its strategic position in the area. At this point the US has to work towards convincing SK to maintain US interests, that the US can somehow offer a better path to peace. Hopefully the US isnt using its Cold War playbook, which means the US would rather destabilize the entire region than to see itself left out of peace talks.

NK will definitely paint the US as the spoiler of peace though.

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Diplomacy doesnt work if you refuse to speak to the opposition.

The sister is not in power. The Kim family and the group of cronies should be ignored by our public leaders unless absolutely necessary (I.E When signing a treaty).

[ranzino]

as NK offers now a state visit to SK's head of state you better talk to the sis ? SHE brought the offer to SK, be part of the solution and smile a lot.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/09/a...ntl/index.html

[Draco-Onis]

The sister is not in power. The Kim family and the group of cronies should be ignored by our public leaders unless absolutely necessary (I.E When signing a treaty).

How do you propose we build a relationship to get said treaty if you ignore them?

[Crispin]

The sister is not in power. The Kim family and the group of cronies should be ignored by our public leaders unless absolutely necessary (I.E When signing a treaty).

It's not like your Presidents daughter is ignored, whenever she shows up at a meeting with other world leaders, any kind of diplomacy requires talk. Ignoring NK doesn't work, neither does attacking them, that leaves 1 option.

[PACOX]

The sister is not in power. The Kim family and the group of cronies should be ignored by our public leaders unless absolutely necessary (I.E When signing a treaty).

VP does what again? She is there as a diplomat for her country the same way Pence is there for the US. SK seems to have no problem treating her as a diplomat. Twice has the story been linked where a future meeting between SK and NK was delegated with her involvement...but she isnt a diplomat? The more meetings they have without the US the worse it looks for US interests in the area.

[NYC17]

Pettiness is the code of the administration. Ignoring her served no worthwhile purpose.

[Travis B]

Pence got outdiplomatized by North Korea. That takes a special kind of incompetence to pull off.

[ranzino]

Pence got outdiplomatized by North Korea. That takes a special kind of incompetence to pull off.

depends, if Pence just is Trump II. in rhetoric he better shuts up and talks to no one. let SK have the spotlight then; NK is mostly their problem.

[Lenonis]

If there is ever a time to build diplomatic relationships with hostile governments it's at the Olympics. Given that the Olympics is all about coming together of nations for friendly competition and all that jazz.

Pence's likely intentional snub is a petty move from a country that should be better...but isn't given the embodiment of pettiness that is the current POTUS.

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The Vice President seems such an amiable guy

Looks can be deceiving.

[NED funded]

VP does what again? She is there as a diplomat for her country the same way Pence is there for the US. SK seems to have no problem treating her as a diplomat. Twice has the story been linked where a future meeting between SK and NK was delegated with her involvement...but she isnt a diplomat? The more meetings they have without the US the worse it looks for US interests in the area.

NK and SK will never reunify for obvious reasons (The Kim family and his group of cronies will never willingly give up power) and any sort of further rapprochement to SK commercially will necessarily include meaningful concenssions from the members in power (I.E Giving up nukes or loosening their power), which I doubt NK would accept and even if they do the concessions demanded by NK would be ridicoulous for all parties involved. The interests of the US in the region are fine as long as that is the situation. That being the case, I'm fine with our vicepresident refusing to acknowledge members of the most brutal dictatorship in the world, to me it would be like acknowledging a terrorist organization like ISIS.

[zorkuus]

If there is ever a time to build diplomatic relationships with hostile governments it's at the Olympics. Given that the Olympics is all about coming together of nations for friendly competition and all that jazz.

Pence's likely intentional snub is a petty move from a country that should be better...but isn't given the embodiment of pettiness that is the current POTUS.

NK is the asshole of the world. They shouldn't be given any concessions imo. Fuck' em. That being said he did the right thing but propably for the wrong reasons. It's one thing to ignore them, but it's another ignoring them because Trump has a personal pissing contest with Kim.

[PACOX]

NK and SK will never reunify for obvious reasons (The Kim family and his group of cronies will never willingly give up power) and any sort of further rapprochement to SK commercially will necessarily include meaningful concenssions from the members in power (I.E Giving up nukes or loosening their power), which I doubt NK would accept and even if they do the concessions demanded by NK would be ridicoulous for all parties involved. The interests of the US in the region are fine as long as that is the situation. That being the case, I'm fine with our vicepresident refusing to acknowledge members of the most brutal dictatorship in the world, to me it would be like acknowledging a terrorist organization like ISIS.

Peace is dependent on there being just one Korea.

I can tell you NKs angle right now. NK offers peaces, ask for trade/etc if SK agrees to kick the US out. NK is no longer viewed as a hostile state in the region. Both countries appeal to China as their big bad regional cosponsor, completly removing America influence because America doesn't escalate a conflict with China. China becomes the regional power with both Koreas under its wing.

Why would SK cooperate? Because no matter how many times the US could destroy NK, SK will still come out with massive civilian casualities. No matter how much the US threatens NK, SK is still the ones with the guns and nukes pointed at them and they really don't like the fate of its civilians being in the hands of government half a world away from them.

[zorkuus]

Peace is dependent on there being just one Korea.

I can tell you NKs angle right now. NK offers peaces, ask for trade/etc if SK agrees to kick the US out. NK is no longer viewed as a hostile state in the region. Both countries appeal to China as their big bad regional cosponsor, completly removing America influence because America doesn't escalate a conflict with China. China becomes the regional power with both Koreas under its wing.

You forget one thing: NK is a country with 25 million piss poor people with no infrastructure to speak of. Who pays this tap? SK? Fat chance, where's their incentive to take that economic risk? China? Maybe but that would come with a complete chokehold on both NK and SK, again no incentive for SK to trade democracy for a tyranny.

[Lenonis]

NK is the asshole of the world. They shouldn't be given any concessions imo. Fuck' em. That being said he did the right thing but propably for the wrong reasons. It's one thing to ignore them, but it's another ignoring them because Trump has a personal pissing contest with Kim.

There is nothing, literally nothing, to be gained from a foreign policy perspective by this snub. It was unnecessary, petty, and likely just continues to escalate the potential for things to go wrong in the reason.

On the contrary, a polite conversation could have at least slightly thawed relations between the countries, allowing for more talking and less twitter fighting....if we had a leader that even remotely cared about sort of thing.

[meira1111]

You think someone who is most well known in politics for bigotry is an amiable guy?

He’s not a bigot, you fucking lying sack of shit. Learn to read the facts and stop relying on this website for your fake news.

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[NED funded]

Peace is dependent on there being just one Korea.

I can tell you NKs angle right now. NK offers peaces, ask for trade/etc if SK agrees to kick the US out. NK is no longer viewed as a hostile state in the region. Both countries appeal to China as their big bad regional cosponsor, completly removing America influence because America doesn't escalate a conflict with China. China becomes the regional power with both Koreas under its wing.

Why would SK cooperate? Because no matter how many times the US could destroy NK, SK will still come out with massive civilian casualities. No matter how much the US threatens NK, SK is still the ones with the guns and nukes pointed at them and they really don't like the fate of its civilians being in the hands of government half a world away from them.

And there will never be one Korea because NK autocrats would never willingly give up their power (this is a regime that would literally starve their population to secure their power) and you would be hardpressed to find anyone in SK willing to live under the rule of a brutal dictatorship.

American interests are not going to be threatened by NK, if anything it is a great chance to condemn China for supporting NK and bring our allies closer.