Punished Alleria: A Wise Woman Denied Her Homeland

[Goldielocks]

I still find it funny that people believe the Blood Elves should have sucked major dick to stay in the Alliance when all they had to do to join the Horde was nothing. Oh the Orcs and Undead killed their people? Different Horde and Undead. You know, that constant "different Alliance" argument people keep using.

[pateuvasiliu]

Oh right, the new alliance excuse "b-b-b-but void elves are alliance, that means void is good right? because we are good guys!"

Face it, you are just pissed that there are elves that are not sucking on Anduins cock.

No, more like we saw that the Light isn't an absolutely good force when Xe'ra tried to Light rape Illidan.

The Light and the Void are opposite forces and if one isn't absolutely good the other cannot be absolutely evil.

I don't care that much about the Alliance, I've been a Horde fanboy since day one. I just don't like Sylvanas leading it. I find that an abomination and Sylvanas should've been long dead over the evil shit she's pulled.

[Verdugo]

I don't care that much about the Alliance, I've been a Horde fanboy since day one. .

Is this the "woke independent" meme of alliance fans?

[Kiri]

Except that the high king is not military leader anymore, if it was, anduin was not supposed to be high king, he just took, because he was the son of varian, sure everyone have their own racial leader, but now they answer to the high king too, pretty much close to the warchief

sure its exaggerated, but it is what look like, when you see the epilogue cinematic of the azerite you can see a lot of other races in stormwind, dressed and acting like humans, this would never happen in the horde

The thing is how Talyssera(? i don't know her name btw) see factions without the player point of view

knowing she only had what she saw and what others told to her to compare, at first, without knowing the lore, people can think that everyone on the alliance is the same, while the horde is different primary because of how elves and undeads are different from orcs and taurens. such difference not happen on the alliance.

From how the quests went, it did not feel like Anduin took that title as much as everyone else just treated him as such. He was Varians heir, yes, but in the immediate aftermath of his death, people might have looked to Anduin, but he was still referred to as King of Stormwind, not High King. Velen did offer his unconditional support though and it is reasonable to assume that the others did as well. We never saw whether or not there was a vote or even negotiations regarding becoming High-King, but that is the realm of negative evidence. We cannot tell either way.
It is not like the Horde has a much different path of succession regarding warchiefs. Two out of three times, the current Warchief just named whoever they wanted (within reason of course, but no one contested their right to choose) and the third time it was an informal vote of sorts.
In the end, just because Anduin was Varian's son does not make that line of succession much different than the one on the Horde side. Heck, if Anduin was the same person, just not related by blood, and Varian named him successor, it would have been pretty much the same as when Thrall abdicated the position and gave it to Garrosh.

The epilogue cinematic, dunno. They literally all just stood there and /cheered, which is pretty much the same as the horde did in the legion funeral cinematic. Whether they all assimilated the human behaviour, whatever you consider that to be compared to normal Gnome/Dwarven/Nelf/Draenei behaviour, or whether that is just game engine limitations is hard to tell. Even clothing wise, there is not that much difference. Gnomes and Dwarves generally wear the same non-combat armour as humans do, just in smaller. Gilneans have the same style anyway (especially when limited to in-game armour). Draenei and Elves wear a mix of stuff. Again, most of it is likely just game engine limitations. But on the other hand, we have not really seen a 'casual/formal' friday event style cinematic for the Horde yet, so there is not much comparison.
In either event, it is as I said in the last post. The Horde races are more diverse to begin with. Most of the alliance races are kind of stock fantasy. The short and stout dwarves that like to drink, smith and rumble. The tinkering gnomes. The nature loving elves. Draenei might be space goats with a borderline fetish for crystals, but their general behaviour and culture were not that different from light revering humans. Gilneans are just Humans infected by rage. Most of them had a lot of human behaviour to begin with, especially with how blizzard changed nightelves between WC3 and WoW. Especially the starting four were designed to be relatable to human players.
In the meantime, the horde has three somewhat similar races, albeit with different quirks in Tauren, Trolls and Orcs, but the Undead differed strongly from all three of them, just like Sin'dorei differ from all of them. Goblins had their own thing as well.
In the end, if you see a party of five from each faction, all following their original traditions, the Alliance group will already look more same-y than the Horde. That is just in their make-up.

It is less the Humans assimilating all other races, it is more that the Alliance is made up of races that were already similar to the Humans. That is why they did not get along with the Horde races to begin with, causing the faction split. And that is also why the Alliance has tried multiple times to draw Silvermoon away from the Horde in such a way - they are culturally much closer to the elves than any of the other Horde races.

[Sergar]

Void isn't inherently evil, why is that relevant?

Fel isn't inherently evil either. So, to restate the thread of the conversation:

If Alleria actually was pissy because Blood Elves (rarely) sucking Fel energy then she, as a Voidsucker should learn about the dangers of rock throwing in glass houses.

[Arrashi]

The High Elves have never served humans. If anything, humanity has helped elves more than the other way around, considering QUel'thalas was fine sitting on their asses during the Second war until the Horde burned their forests and basically forced them to fight. The humans still came to their aid.

Actually both sides were acting on their own interest. As for 'never serving humans", hmm..how about silver covenant serving their human masters against their own kin ? Or alleria serving as lapdog to human king ?

The moral change is them allying with Undead that did experiments on the living and orcs and trolls, their enemies from the previous wars.

As opposed to allying themselves with humans who tried to either wipe them out, or didn't do anything to stop said genocide. Oh, and alliance sending spies and saboteurs instead of ambasadors.

Also, you know, abducting M'uru, drawing from living beings.

Mu'ru did all of that willingly. As for drawing from living beings...don't humans draw carbon and other substances for their sustenance from living things ?

[pateuvasiliu]

Actually both sides were acting on their own interest. As for 'never serving humans", hmm..how about silver covenant serving their human masters against their own kin ? Or alleria serving as lapdog to human king ?

This fake news again? Their own kin kicked them out of Quel'thalas when they refused to suck the life out of creatures and ally with orcs.

As opposed to allying themselves with humans who tried to either wipe them out

The difference is only a few humans sentenced Kael ( rightfully so, he allied with scaled monsters ) whereas most of the Orcs that are in the Horde fought in the Second War and burned elven forests.

or didn't do anything to stop said genocide

There wasn't any genocide planned.

Mu'ru did all of that willingly.

No one knew that till SWP.

don't humans draw carbon and other substances for their sustenance from living things ?

Trees don't feel pain?

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Fel isn't inherently evil either. So, to restate the thread of the conversation:

If Alleria actually was pissy because Blood Elves (rarely) sucking Fel energy then she, as a Voidsucker should learn about the dangers of rock throwing in glass houses.

Fel is corrupting and destroys worlds, so yes, it is evil.

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Is this the "woke independent" meme of alliance fans?

If you're not able to respond like a mature person I'm done with you.

[Combatbutler]

Fel is corrupting and destroys worlds, so yes, it is evil.

So does the void, even to a greater extent. But neither are evil, they simply are.

[Friendlyimmolation]

This fake news again? Their own kin kicked them out of Quel'thalas when they refused to suck the life out of creatures and ally with orcs.

Allying with orcs came later, they got kicked out for causing unrest.

he difference is only a few humans sentenced Kael ( rightfully so, he allied with scaled monsters ) whereas most of the Orcs that are in the Horde fought in the Second War and burned elven forests.

"Scaled monsters" who helped the blood elves secure the front that Garithos had sent them to hoping they would die, he even gloats when he had a reason to execute them. Your bias is hilarious, even more so when you try say it as "A few humans"

There wasn't any genocide planned.

killing 15% of remaining race isn't genocide?

Fel is corrupting and destroys worlds, so yes, it is evil.

Have you paid any attention what so ever for the last few years/months? The void does that all and worse, Alleria has no room to get pissy about that.

[Highelf]

Denied? She chose the alliance over her homeland... and when they were nice enough to let her visit she tried to corrupt the sunwell.

She did not try to corrupt the sunwell lol. Good lord get your facts straight before typing. She actually helped close the rift or whatever it was. To borrow what someone else has already said; so all it takes is for one void elf to sneak in to the sunwell and it's gone...got it.

The blood elves have been proven to use mind control and mind tricks to keep their people in line, even to this day.

If you don't agree with Lorthemar and his beliefs you are literally kicked out and exiled from your home and lands.

Qualities that, if this were a movie or real life you people would view him/them as the "bad guy"

[Friendlyimmolation]

She did not try to corrupt the sunwell lol. Good lord get your facts straight before typing. She actually helped close the rift or whatever it was. To borrow what someone else has already said; so all it takes is for one void elf to sneak in to the sunwell and it's gone...got it.

A rift only there because she waltzed into the Sunwell despite being told not too, she may have not intended to do it, but it doesn't make her any less negligent or stupid.

The blood elves have been proven to use mind control and mind tricks to keep their people in line, even to this day.

Nothing proves that.. so got a source?

If you don't agree with Lorthemar and his beliefs you are literally kicked out and exiled from your home and lands.

You mean if you caused civil unrest, plenty of people disagreed with the creation of the blood knights during blood of the Highborne and they were not kicked out.

Qualities that, if this were a movie or real life you people would view him/them as the "bad guy"

Not really, some would, those who weeped for the wounded angle high elves would, the rest who called them spoiled brats would like Lor'themar for being realistic.

[Highelf]

Congratulations I have read a great many deal of headcanon on this forum, but this is easily in the top ten.

Then why do you even show up to these threads and still reply many times after all these days?

No wonder you defend Lorthemar. If something doesn't agree with your ideals or head objective opinions, you want to stop them and kick them out.

[Melsiren]

Nothing proves that.. so got a source?

His source is going to be the totally not outdated totally not time stamped BC Silvermoon!

[Friendlyimmolation]

Then why do you even show up to these threads and still reply many times after all these days?

No wonder you defend Lorthemar. If something doesn't agree with your ideals or head objective opinions, you want to stop them and kick them out.

TIL Calling out headcanon for being the steaming pile it means is equivalent to being Lor'themar.

But I guess since the High elves had no real alternatives and just spouted insanity, that he called them out for their shit too.

[Highelf]

A rift only there because she waltzed into the Sunwell despite being told not too, she may have not intended to do it, but it doesn't make her any less negligent or stupid.



Nothing proves that.. so got a source?


You mean if you caused civil unrest, plenty of people disagreed with the creation of the blood knights during blood of the Highborne and they were not kicked out.



Not really, some would, those who weeped for the wounded angle high elves would, the rest who called them spoiled brats would like Lor'themar for being realistic.

Their mind control is actually IN-GAME, in their own city. Not bad for a source eh?

High Elves had different ideals and morals. So according to you and your logic, those people should be kicked out of America too then right?

[Evaddon]

You realize Alleria left her defense of her homeland to fight a human War due due to blind vengeance and hate of the Orcs,from their failed attacks on Quel'thalas that damaged little in reality and killed even less as they couldn't really make it through the Sin'doreis magical Wards?

She isn't Wise, and she isn't a hero. She abandoned her people, disappeared for years and then let her mind be taken by the Void because of generally and simplistically speaking, her love for a HUMAN, with a dash of vengeance as I said before. Letting her family be killed in the process and her homeland being scared by the scourge forever? While Kael'thus fell to madness and the will of the Burning Legion forever corrupting his people. Think of the good she could've done if she didn't run away on her foolish crusade, what she could've become, what she could've prevented!!!! She is nothing more then a fool wearing a mask.

And that's not even mentioning the bigotry of the some groups within the Human Kingdoms, throwing her people in prison for little reason.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Their mind control is actually IN-GAME, in their own city. Not bad for a source eh?

From a time stamped, Burning Crusade zone. Guys the lich king is still alive, I saw Arthas in Icecrown!

High Elves had different ideals and morals. So according to you and your logic, those people should be kicked out of America too then right?

Their ideas would have lead to death of elderly, the sick and children. some morals.

[Highelf]

TIL Calling out headcanon for being the steaming pile it means is equivalent to being Lor'themar.

But I guess since the High elves had no real alternatives and just spouted insanity, that he called them out for their shit too.

Look dude I know i'm not going to convince you against your inner beliefs that have no structural integrity whatsoever, but at least don't spout propaganda you know?

The more and more you talk, the more and more I realize you should've been born in Germany as a blonde haired blue eyes soldier during WWII.

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TIL Calling out headcanon for being the steaming pile it means is equivalent to being Lor'themar.

But I guess since the High elves had no real alternatives and just spouted insanity, that he called them out for their shit too.

Look dude I know i'm not going to convince you against your inner beliefs that have no structural integrity whatsoever, but at least don't spout propaganda you know?

The more and more you talk, the more and more I realize you should've been born in Germany as a blonde haired blue eyes soldier during WWII.

[Kralljin]

Nothing proves that.. so got a source?

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Lyria_Skystrider

I think he's referring to that dialogue, altough that dialogue is by now over a Decade old and most likely takes place when the blood elves were fresh Horde members that had yet to proof themselves.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Look dude I know i'm not going to convince you against your inner beliefs that have no structural integrity whatsoever, but at least don't spout propaganda you know?

The more and more you talk, the more and more I realize you should've been born in Germany as a blonde haired blue eyes soldier during WWII.

Fucking lmao.

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Lyria_Skystrider

I think he's referring to that dialogue, altough that dialogue is by now over a Decade old and most likely takes place when the blood elves were fresh Horde members that had yet to proof themselves.

Silvermoon at the point wasn't even Horde yet too, it's super outdated.