Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

[Cthulhu 2020]

Please elaborate, are you saying ethylmercury is harmless?

I'm sure you know that the properties of an element in a molecule are much different than its atomic properties, and even a molecule within another molecule changes properties completely as well. Or again, did you fail chemistry class?

This is all pretty irrelevant of course, since that stuff is not even used in vaccines any more at all. Even if it was in vaccines, you get more ELEMENTAL mercury (the dangerous stuff) in a single can of tuna or tuna steak than the molecular mercury of 100 vaccines. But the right is all anti science hysteria and no science, so what exactly was I expecting?

[Santti]

Obama must have pissed Trump something fierce. It's always the same story. Was Obama behind it? Trump is overturning it, no matter how good or sensible the bills are.

Although in this case, it might be that Trump just wants a gun.

[Cthulhu 2020]

How much longer are republicans going to run on pushing mass murder?

I mean, people are calling for restrictions on people with known bad mental illnesses to not be able to buy guns. Senators and congressmen are talking about closing loopholes that allow such people to get guns. But that's all the right is. Talk. At the end of the day, what happened? A measure signed to stop the mentally ill from getting guns was repealed the very day we had a mass shooting from a mentally ill person.

The salesmen of death love to create votes out of fear and hysteria, so why not let a few more mass shootings happen?

[Gestopft]

But that's all the right is. Talk.

Hey now, they're not just talk. They're also Thoughts and Prayers. (And anything but action.)

[Draco-Onis]

How much longer are republicans going to run on pushing mass murder?

Probably as long as their base keeps rewarding them for it.

[Celista]

Obama must have pissed Trump something fierce. It's always the same story. Was Obama behind it? Trump is overturning it, no matter how good or sensible the bills are.

Although in this case, it might be that Trump just wants a gun.

Yeah the amount of irrational rage seems deeply personal, and/or he's a mega racist. I already assumed the latter tbh, but I can't figure out what personal issue he could have with Obama. Obama is pretty diplomatic. Maybe he's butthurt that he never got a White House invitation while Obama was in office.

[JohnBrown1917]

Yeah the amount of irrational rage seems deeply personal, and/or he's a mega racist. I already assumed the latter tbh, but I can't figure out what personal issue he could have with Obama. Obama is pretty diplomatic. Maybe he's butthurt that he never got a White House invitation while Obama was in office.

Obama made fun of Trump at some dinner that Trump also went to.

[zorkuus]

Obama made fun of Trump at some dinner that Trump also went to.

That doesn't explain it. Trump had that whole birther shtick going on before the event. Infact that was what Obama made fun of.

[Vanyali]

That doesn't explain it. Trump had that whole birther shtick going on before the event. Infact that was what Obama made fun of.

That shit was just a result of him breathing fox news. The dinner where he was mocked and could do nothing about it? That's where he started going off the crazy obama-hate rails.

[Thekri]

That doesn't explain it. Trump had that whole birther shtick going on before the event. Infact that was what Obama made fun of.

Well, Trump was actively supporting Clinton in her campaign against Obama back in 2007. Not sure if it has anything to do with that, but he was in pretty tight with the Clintons then. Obviously Trump doesn't do loyalty, so it would have to be some way he felt Obama slighted him as part of that process

[Celista]

That shit was just a result of him breathing fox news. The dinner where he was mocked and could do nothing about it? That's where he started going off the crazy obama-hate rails.

Ahh well if that's it then that's a good lesson on why it's a good idea to be diplomatic with others and not try pissing off crazy.

[Vanyali]

Ahh well if that's it then that's a good lesson on why it's a good idea to be diplomatic with others and not try pissing off crazy.

i don't think anyone envisioned a world where the 80s-90s sitcom villain's dream actually came true at that point.

[Lenonis]

I’m glad to know doctors can be bullied into pushing lies then

Stop. Just stop.

You aren't a scientist. You don't work in the industry. You clearly know nothing about medicine nor vaccines.

And, apparently, you know nothing about how companies change products because of public perception.

So, a big fat zero on science. A big fat zero on business.

Stop.

[Breccia]

It's almost like they're, I don't know, worried about how terrible the optics of this are.

I mean, how bad could it be? It's not like it would have helped here anyhow, it's not like the shooter was hearing voices telling him to murder ooooooooooooh right, he literally did hear voices telling him to commit murder.

Sound like exactly the kind of person the Founding Fathers wanted in a well-regulated militia.

[Belize]

Please elaborate, are you saying ethylmercury is harmless?

Never eat salt, it's half chlorine which is incredibly deadly.

[Breccia]

So Trump is doing his part by keeping assault rifles in the hands of people literally hearing voices. Wanna know who else is helping?

Russia.

Based on reports we have so far, the shooter was a white supremicist who was so violently racist he had been reported to the FBI before the shooting, and had also had psychiatric treatment in the past. Yet within hours sites like the Gateway Pundit were already circulating stories about the shooter with the wrong name, wrong ethnicity, and calling him a registered Democrat. This, incidentally, was a couple hours after they showed a BuzzFeed headline "why we need to take guns from white people". The headline, of course, was falsified.

TheGatewayPundit might have simply made those stories up, but it's more likely they were taken in by the massive amount of fake information dumped by Russian twitter bots. For example, a local reporter was using twitter to contact some of the escaping students -- not everyone would agree with that tactic, but you can at least understand why a journalist would want that scoop. What the reporter didn't do, was ask for pictures of dead bodies, nor did she ask if the shooter was white. Her tweets were doctored to display this, and then circulated.

Wired goes into detail about how quickly and how much the Russian disinformation machine tried to distort the message in, well, let's be honest, in the GOP's direction. They pushed the Nunes memo, they're pushing firing Mueller, and now they're pushing back against gun control, including blatantly false attempts to paint the shooter as a Hispanic, a Democrat, or even a Muslim, when a white supremecist uses an assault rifle to murder seventeen people -- the biggest school shooting since Sandy Hook.

[zito]

what fucking perfect timing

honestly it could not have been more perfect. Secretly rolls back gun regulations next day a school shooting. Just wow, but he and every other trump supporter will ignore this fact and continue kissing ass.

[Edge-]

https://www.dhs.gov/news-releases

So we had not 1, but 6 releases from DHS fearmongering immigrants today.

Do you know what they haven't released since yesterday? Anything about the mass school shooting by an American that left 17 people dead.

DHS is pure propaganda now.

[zito]

https://www.dhs.gov/news-releases

So we had not 1, but 6 releases from DHS fearmongering immigrants today.

Do you know what they haven't released since yesterday? Anything about the mass school shooting by an American that left 17 people dead.

DHS is pure propaganda now.

gotta make trump look good and right. "Immigrants are ruining america"

clearly after a white male teenager killed 17 people after you signed a bill to loosen gun restrictions IMMIGRANTS are the problem

Fucking put a camera on trump because the white house has turned into the next keeping up with the kardasians.

[I Push Buttons]

So Trump is doing his part by keeping assault rifles in the hands of people literally hearing voices.

No one would have a problem with that if there were due process involved, there isn't. Its why the ACLU and disability rights groups opposed the law.

Here is what the open letter the American Civil Liberties Union sent to congress said about the law:

In December 2016, the SSA promulgated a final rule that would require the names
of all Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security
Income (SSI) benefit recipients – who, because of a mental impairment, use a
representative payee to help manage their benefits – be submitted to the National
Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is used during gun
purchases.

We oppose this rule because it advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that
people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent.
There is no data to support a connection between the need for a representative
payee to manage one’s Social Security disability benefits and a propensity toward
gun violence. The rule further demonstrates the damaging phenomenon of “spread,”
or the perception that a disabled individual with one area of impairment
automatically has additional, negative and unrelated attributes. Here, the rule
automatically conflates one disability-related characteristic, that is, difficulty
managing money, with the inability to safely possess a firearm.

The rule includes no meaningful due process protections prior to the SSA’s
transmittal of names to the NICS database. The determination by SSA line staff that
a beneficiary needs a representative payee to manage their money benefit is simply
not an “adjudication” in any ordinary meaning of the word. Nor is it a
determination that the person “[l]acks the mental capacity to contract or manage his
own affairs” as required by the NICS. Indeed, the law and the SSA clearly state
that representative payees are appointed for many individuals who are legally competent.

We recognize that enacting new regulations relating to firearms can raise difficult questions. The
ACLU believes that the right to own and use guns is not absolute or free from government
regulation, since firearms are inherently dangerous instrumentalities and their use, unlike other
activities protected by the Bill of Rights, can inflict serious bodily injury or death. Therefore,
firearms are subject to reasonable regulation in the interests of public safety, crime prevention,
maintaining the peace, environmental protection, and public health. We do not oppose regulation of
firearms as long as it is reasonably related to these legitimate government interests.

At the same time, regulation of firearms and individual gun ownership or use must be consistent
with civil liberties principles, such as due process, equal protection, freedom from unlawful
searches, and privacy. All individuals have the right to be judged on the basis of their individual
capabilities, not the characteristics and capabilities that are sometimes attributed (often mistakenly)
to any group or class to which they belong. A disability should not constitute grounds for the
automatic per se denial of any right or privilege, including gun ownership.

Its the same reason they opposed the ban on buying guns for the people on watch lists... They don't want those people to have those guns... But the process whereby you get onto that list has no due process, there is no court, there is no evidence, you are merely placed on the list at some bureaucrat's discretion. Which is a pretty fucking arbitrary way to take a right guaranteed in the constitution away from someone.

Should dangerous crazy people be allowed to buy guns? Obviously fucking not... But merely receiving help managing your money is not indicative that you are a dangerous crazy person and to argue someone should have a right taken away from them for receiving that help is obtuse.