Nationalism: Is it ok?

[Jehct]

Is Nationalism in any form ok to you?

I don't see anything wrong with being proud of where you are from or even loving your country. Shoving it in peoples faces and saying you are superior to them because of it seems shitty though. Thoughts?

[Elegiac]

No.

It's taking credit for shit you didn't do in order to hate people you don't know.

[Realitytrembles]

It depends entirely on the ideals of the nation.

[Jehct]

No.

It's taking credit for shit you didn't do in order to hate people you don't know.

Odd. I definitely don't hate people from other countries. I don't know most people in other countries. I'm also not taking any credit for anything. I'm just happy to be living where I am. I'm happy the city I live in is nice and the people are generally nice. How does that come out to be a negative thing?

[Independent voter]

na·tion·al·ism
ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.

synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, flag-waving, xenophobia, chauvinism, jingoism
"their extreme nationalism was frightening"

an extreme form of this, especially marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.
plural noun: nationalisms

advocacy of political independence for a particular country.

The problem with this word is that it means more than one thing. Going out on 4th of July to wave a flag at a parade is nationalism but so are fascist beliefs.


On these forums people will often argue over nationalism, while one is thinking about the patriotic definition and the other is thinking about the fascist definition.

You want to see something scary, just look at the fans for an EU soccer match.

I'd say most of the people at a 4th of July parade are the patriotic types since we in the US never think about other countries.

[Super Kami Dende]

No.

It's taking credit for shit you didn't do in order to hate people you don't know.

How is that different from blaming people for things they didn't do to hate people you don't know?

Apparently to leftists White people these days shouldn't take credit for Good things their Ancestors did, but should be held accountable for the bad stuff they did.

It's would be funny if it wasn't so fucking idiotic.

[Elegiac]

How is that different from blaming people for things they didn't do to hate people you don't know?

Apparently to leftists White people these days shouldn't take credit for Good things their Ancestors did, but should be held accountable for the bad stuff they did.

It's would be funny if it wasn't so fucking idiotic.

Man, it's almost as if the bad things our ancestors did continues to have a systemic negative impact on people that is impossible to resolve as long as idiots keep running around claiming that history has no bearing on the present.

[Nasuuna]

To a point.

Overdoing it tends to have poor results.
Having no national identity is non achievable due to human nature.

[Jehct]

That about sums it up.

For sure. There are definitely toxic forms of Nationalism. Thinking you are superior to someone strictly based on where you live is insane to me. So anyone outside the US that loves their country and their people are shitty too?

[Elegiac]

Odd. I definitely don't hate people from other countries. I don't know most people in other countries. I'm also not taking any credit for anything. I'm just happy to be living where I am. I'm happy the city I live in is nice and the people are generally nice. How does that come out to be a negative thing?

That isn't nationalism.

[Super Kami Dende]

Man, it's almost as if the bad things our ancestors did continues to have a systemic negative impact on people that is impossible to resolve as long as idiots keep running around claiming that history has no bearing on the present.

By that logic the Good things they did have a positive aswell.

You either have both or neither.

[Radaney]

Man, it's almost as if the bad things our ancestors did continues to have a systemic negative impact on people that is impossible to resolve as long as idiots keep running around claiming that history has no bearing on the present.

If sons took their fathers sins we'd all hang.

[Jehct]

That isn't nationalism.

Being proud of the country you live in and the people that live there is definitely Nationalism.

[Alefnir]

Do you mean nationalism as in patriotism or nationalism as in political independence of the nation state under the Westphalian model? I am certainly in favor of the latter and the former as well because yes, you don't choose the nation of your birth but you DO choose to live by or not live by the ideals of that nation. When someone waves the American flag, they are celebrating the ideology manifested in the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

[Independent voter]

Being proud of the country you live in and the people that live there is definitely Nationalism.

Didactic doesn't understand the definition of nationalism, the word has two meanings.

[Super Kami Dende]

Didactic doesn't understand the definition of nationalism, the word has two meanings.

Most people that argue against Nationalism don't.

For example, Nationalism as a term in a place like Scotland is wildly different to Nationalism in a place like Germany.

[Elegiac]

By that logic the Good things they did have a positive aswell.

You either have both or neither.

Cool story, let me know when people start claiming that white people have never done anything good.

[Pull My Finger]

Nationalism has always been for idiots.

[Elegiac]

Being proud of the country you live in and the people that live there is definitely Nationalism.

Which is patriotism, not nationalism.

Nationalism specifically refers to an ideology of ethnic superiority and self-determination.

[Rafoel]

However senseless you think it is, it evolved naturally, so it has a purpose.