Real question. What stops me from outsourcing the majority of this by paying people in B.net balance via carry gold from live?
Heavy rain in Hillsbrad Foothills always makes me feel at peace:
Veteran vanilla player - I was 31 back in 2005 when I started playing WoW - Nostalrius raider with a top raid guild.
which is why i do heroic raiding with no add-ons *unless you count 3d portraits and sometimes when i feel like a damage meter* and even have delved into some mythic bosses with no add ons.
and i still think i play better then most of the player base who uses add-ons
*i personally think they make people worse players because it allows them to be lazy*
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/charact...ream/kanrethan
*a little wonky it seems with race change*
by no means do i think i am a legendary player, i hardly try and will jump around specs, even got a legendary parse *on lootonar*
i do not min/max always, but will lean towards it most of the time
current tier, haven't done mythics since wod, but still done them with no add-ons when i did as i refuse to raid with add-ons other then maybe a damage meter sometimes
Last edited by Arthas242; 2018-02-18 at 11:01 PM.
I've raided in vanilla quite recently and the insane amount of farming you need to do for the raids is the only thing that's really off-putting. You farm more than you raid pretty much. It's one thing I'm glad they changed in TBC and onwards, you still had to do some farming but it wasn't a two whole bags of consumables you had to carry with you just to be able to raid.
What's this idea that DBM makes stuff easy? First, boss mods were already a thing in vanilla (and addons in general were more powerful than today) and second it doesn't stop bosses like Helya, KJ or Argus from causing hundreds of wipes. DBM doesn't play the game for you.
Blizzard increases complexity, but the addons nerf complexity. So it just becomes down to a successful run having members with the latest addons.
I just think it's funny when people say Retail runs are more complex. Give them Vanilla addons only, DBM, threat meters. Watch them fail.
Retail addons tell you where to stand, when to cast, when to not cast, when to run, who to run to, who not to run to, when to use items, when to group up, or separate, etc, etc etc.
Addons existed in Vanilla. But generally it was up to the player to watch for indications of something happening, beyond a dong sound. It was up to the player how the fight should be handled. And how to not die.
Do retailers really need an addon to tell them not to stand in front of a dragon breathing fire? Yes, they do. Vanilla veterans would not need such advice.
Would veterans need to be told to move? naw To be told when to group? not really. When to click, or use an item in their inventory? Vanilla is social based, so even the shittiest runs use voice chat, Discord. Even then, the majority of people you run with are people you ran with before.
Last edited by Vineri; 2018-02-18 at 11:20 PM.
"Retailers" roflstomp through Classic raiding on a weekly basis, so yeah, I'd say we have the guts and then some to "withstand" that shit.
Classic Zealots gon' keep making up bullshit points until the very last I guess, but the day is drawing closer when you won't be able to say "You weren't there, man!!" anymore and players will be able to login and check you on your BS without jumping through Private server hoops.
Last edited by Queen of Hamsters; 2018-02-18 at 11:24 PM.
Dude, can you please stop posting responses and threads on this forum as if you're the shit? You're a mediocre hunter at best that can follow the simple full/clip rotation and not stand in the fire.
Also, none of those mats cost any real amount of gold atm.
Elemental water is less than 10 silver each
elemental earth is less than 50 silver each
Fire oil is less than 50 silver each
Fire Bloom is less than 10 silver each
Heart of fire is 20-25 silver each
The only reason they are now being stocked in significant quantity, is because you know for a fact what is needed for the next raid.
Patch 1.12, and not one step further!
Considering I raided hardcore throughout vanilla, I kinda think i'm not. There are enough mats for many raids worth of greater firepower elixirs. To even suggest you are taking that many is hilarity beyond measure.
As a Mage maining raid leader, most of these would not be expended fully after raids, usually not even close to running out.
40-80 Mana Pots
Maybe 20 Healing Pots depending on encounter/healers
20 Greater Dreamless Sleep for select occasions
20-30 Resist Pots of X type, more depending on farm status
~10 Wizard Oil / Mana oil depending on fight
4-6 Flasks of Supreme Power
20-30 Greater Firepower Elixir, more depending on farm status
20-30 Arcane Elixir, more depending on farm status
40 of selected food buffs
Even if I ever used all of that up, which I practically never did, it still doesn't come close to the number that the op is showing in their little bullshit screenshot.
Far more space was taken up by stuff like Arcane Powder and Teleport/Portal Runes than by any of the combat consumables.
Last edited by Lollis; 2018-02-18 at 11:29 PM.
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