Zandalari Trolls will never become Paladins!!! This is why!

[Yarathir]

It would be a pretty good slap tho, I mean he would jump out from his tree which is where his Zandalari tree hut is and slap you. You wouldn't even see the savage lingering.

Right? Zandalari do love their tents, mudhuts and tree houses.

[Wolfrick]

Yes, a holy and warrior race would find the idea of someone merging two of their biggest cultural ideologies together absolutely horrendous and exile anyone who considered it. There's nothing alien about it, all the ingredients to the paladin recipe is right there just Blizz is making no sense with it. Same with Dark Iron's not being able to be shamans (They've been worshipping Ragnaros for how long and yet are expected to have no Elemental attunement, wut?)

These guys are an ancient race that predate Tauren, Humans and Blood Elves. They've had so much more time than anyone else to research into the light and it's uses in combat that it's insane to assume that they wouldn't have already.

"Holy" this word depends on the one who speaks it, since the Trolls have more of a Voodoo and Hex mind set when it comes to priesthood and Nature Loa spirits, they would look down uppon Sun focusded Ideals

[Yarathir]

The very nature and idea behind the Paladin class is looked down uppon by the troll cultures, so Zandalari trolls that would want to become a paladin with be outcasts or downright less liked people, just as the Followers of the Prophet Zul.

Heathens also have a place in the Zandalar tribe, and are known as freethinkers among the Zandalari. Freethinkers do not fear oppression and die for what they believe in. Battle gear gives one power in the tribe. The freethinkers are honored in this way. They are zealots and imbue their breastplates with powerful mojo. If their beliefs falter in the face of the enemy, their breastplate will not. Ancient Zandalari were branded as heretics when the Gurubashi Empire was strong. Heathens dared to challenge the priest of Hakkar, but were hunted and killed as vermin. Those heathens never wavered in their fight against the Blood God and so the tribe honors the price the freethinkers paid.

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"Holy" this word depends on the one who speaks it, since the Trolls have more of a Voodoo and Hex mind set when it comes to priesthood and Nature Loa spirits, they would look down uppon Sun focusded Ideals

You are talking about Jungle and Forest Trolls. They do not represent Zandalari Trolls.

[RizzleFrazzle]

The very nature and idea behind the Paladin class is looked down uppon by the troll cultures, so Zandalari trolls that would want to become a paladin with be outcasts or downright less liked people, just as the Followers of the Prophet Zul.

thanks you for this info, as you can see, all of his spells are focus on the Loa with are ancient Spirits and demi Gods, it has nothing to do with the sun or The light.

Since I know you will fight me back, the "Light of the Loa" could be a direct power for that spirit, using the "light" word to show that it comes dirrectly from that Specific Loa.

No no no no no..... For starters, you have no idea that the Paladin class is looked down by the troll cultures, this is what head cannon is.

And secondly, no. We just established that it's very possible to use the light abilities through the Loa as the source.

"Holy" this word depends on the one who speaks it, since the Trolls have more of a Voodoo and Hex mind set when it comes to priesthood and Nature Loa spirits, they would look down uppon Sun focusded Ideals

What? No. It doesn't depend at all. You keep comparing them to jungle trolls which would do that. You need to stop using headcannon to assume what they would be considering/ thinking because it goes against so many points raised against you already yet you seem to ignore them pretty quick.

[Yarathir]

No no no no no..... For starters, you have no idea that the Paladin class is looked down by the troll cultures, this is what head cannon is.

And secondly, no. We just established that it's very possible to use the light abilities through the Loa as the source.

It's not only headcanon, it's also plain wrong. Zandalari respected Freethinkers very much - like, specifically.

[Wolfrick]

you must hate the sunwalkers then

Taurens in general and The druid taurens Worship the sun all ready, since the night elf worship Elune "The moon GOd" the tauren says that they are wrong in doing so, since they call Elune by another name and they mean that she is a Sun God.

So then making a new brotherhood of Light warriors would work fine, Tauren paladins was added in Cataclysm but sunwalkers have been in the Tauren culture for a long long time, maybe with the Sundering that History and ideas was lost for the Tauren tribe that are with the Horde.

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You are talking about Jungle and Forest Trolls. They do not represent Zandalari Trolls.[/QUOTE]

Before the sundering Zandalari Trolls was the main Cutlure in the whole of the Troll empire, beeing a Zandalari was like beeing a Highborn for the night elf, you where noble and everyone should do as you do.

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No no no no no..... For starters, you have no idea that the Paladin class is looked down by the troll cultures, this is what head cannon is.

And secondly, no. We just established that it's very possible to use the light abilities through the Loa as the source.



What? No. It doesn't depend at all. You keep comparing them to jungle trolls which would do that. You need to stop using headcannon to assume what they would be considering/ thinking because it goes against so many points raised against you already yet you seem to ignore them pretty quick.

It is pure an simple Lore, why do we not have history or any sign of Troll/Zandalari paladins or even SUN worhisping trolls before or after the sundering? if an entire RACE do not have any sign of a tendence they it is natural that its looked down uppon.

[Destinas]

I see Zandalari Prelates similar to a few other classes and races.

The Sunwalkers were a new tribe that simply wanted to use the power of An'she more than the power of Mu'sha in order to restore balance. There was no lore for that, ever, before the end of WotLK, where Blizzard had already decided (and, I believe they had announced) Tauren paladins would be a thing in Cataclysm. There was never a mention of it before that, and in lore the Sunwalkers would be a small tribe, since they are so new to Tauren culture. Yet, they still became playable, even though their numbers are very small.

Blood Elf paladins weren't really much of a thing before they were announced as a class for TBC, in order to give the Horde a paladin class. The closest thing in established lore before that was Spellbreakers, which are only similar in the types of armor and weapons they use. But, before TBC, there weren't any established "Blood Elf/High Elf Paladins" at all. Even so, Blood Elves were given a paladin class.

Void Elves are a small population, lore-wise. They have potential for more to be shown, because other Blood Elves and High Elves are joining their ranks now. The only established lore about them, before their announcement, was Alleria - and her powers/Void form aren't even the same as other Void Elves, lore-wise. In lore, they were a very small group of Blood Elves that studied the Void, and were banished for that. Yet, they became an entire race for people to play on the Alliance.

Zandalari Prelates have, at the very least, shown up in Thone of Thunder. They use paladin-like moves, a shield, and a sword. It's as similar to a paladin as a Sunwalker, or a Blood Knight (during TBC) - a holy warrior. Besides that, in Vanilla there was established lore for Freethinkers - zealots that infuse their plate armor with magic. They're also revered for using their imbued armor to fight Hakkar a long time ago. The Freethinker armor was only for paladins in Vanilla.

Sure, in lore there wouldn't be many Zandalari Paladins/Prelates/Freethinkers, but they would exist. They have lore solidifying their place in Zandalar's culture. That's more than the Blood Knights or Sunwalkers before they were made. If entire races can be pulled out of thin air as a thriving population, then there's no reason for Blizzard to ignore something actually stated to exist in lore already. Sure, they wouldn't be "paladins" exactly, but neither were Sunwalkers or Blood Knights. Trolls were never specifically called "druids" in any of their cultures before Cataclysm, yet the lore existed that they used their animal gods for power, similarly to druids.

Really, they could add any race/class combo they wanted, and there's little lore to stop them. At the very least, it makes perfect sense for Zandalari to have a holy warrior class. It even makes sense as far as the cultures they were based off of - Mayan and Aztec societies had holy warriors as well.

[Wolfrick]

It's not only headcanon, it's also plain wrong. Zandalari respected Freethinkers very much - like, specifically.

Heathens also have a place in the Zandalar tribe, and are known as freethinkers among the Zandalari. Freethinkers do not fear oppression and die for what they believe in. Battle gear gives one power in the tribe. The freethinkers are honored in this way. They are zealots and imbue their breastplates with powerful mojo. If their beliefs falter in the face of the enemy, their breastplate will not. Ancient Zandalari were branded as heretics when the Gurubashi Empire was strong. Heathens dared to challenge the priest of Hakkar, but were hunted and killed as vermin. Those heathens never wavered in their fight against the Blood God and so the tribe honors the price the freethinkers paid.

this is what you use to mean that we should have Zandalari paladins? "imbue their breastplates with powerful mojo" this does sound very far from a warrior of the light.

"Mojo is a substance, usually seen in liquid form that trolls use in their voodoo rituals.[1] It is described as being a frothy, sticky substance with a light glow.[2][3][4] Excess amounts are usually carried in flasks and decanters.

Mojo can be taken from trolls[5][6] and animals.[7] Additionally, some ogres are said to use mojo. Some ogre jewelry is said to contain mojo power and at least one ogre known as Warosh had his 'mojo' sucked from him, he tasked adventurers with reclaiming his mojo."

This sound more like a Rune Warrior or some kind of Death Knight warriors

[RizzleFrazzle]

It is pure an simple Lore, why do we not have history or any sign of Troll/Zandalari paladins or even SUN worhisping trolls before or after the sundering? if an entire RACE do not have any sign of a tendence they it is natural that its looked down uppon.

You mean other than the Troll prelates in Isle of Thunder? And because they wouldn't worship the sun, because that's the Tauren religion? Kinda like how I wouldn't ask why the humans aren't using the Sunwell to power their Paladin abilities.

The reason we don't see it in game is exactly the reason for this whole discussion, Blizz decided to ignore all the pieces of it being more than possible.
I said it before, Zandy paladins make so much more sense than Warlocks since they've had next to no interaction with the Legion and Fel. Hell even rogues are a stretch, but they only make sense with the Shadow Hunters.

[ZazuuPriest]

just because they dont worship the sun does not mean tehy worship the light you fool

the sun does not equal the holy light ffs

[Enkrypt]

The Zandalari trolls we find in ToT are those Renegade trolls that followed the Prophet Zul, we will find out more about this in BFA, but as Renegade Zandalari trolls, ofc they could be paladins, as I said to another person in this thred.

The very nature and idea behind the Paladin class is looked down uppon by the troll cultures, so Zandalari trolls that would want to become a paladin with be outcasts or downright less liked people, just as the Followers of the Prophet Zul.

thanks you for this info, as you can see, all of his spells are focus on the Loa with are ancient Spirits and demi Gods, it has nothing to do with the sun or The light.

Since I know you will fight me back, the "Light of the Loa" could be a direct power for that spirit, using the "light" word to show that it comes dirrectly from that Specific Loa.

You do realize your thread is titled "Zandalari Trolls will never become Paladins!!! This is why!" and despite being shown and told of evidence that Zandalari Trolls can and have, in fact, been Paladins... you just keep moving the goalposts.

You have been presented with valid and clear evidence that Zandalari Trolls can be Paladins. Not saying the players will be able to make them, but as far as precedent goes, we've had them. Thread is over.

I don't wish to "fight" you about anything. You're wrong. Nothing to fight over.

[KrakHed]

Heathens also have a place in the Zandalar tribe, and are known as freethinkers among the Zandalari. Freethinkers do not fear oppression and die for what they believe in. Battle gear gives one power in the tribe. The freethinkers are honored in this way. They are zealots and imbue their breastplates with powerful mojo. If their beliefs falter in the face of the enemy, their breastplate will not. Ancient Zandalari were branded as heretics when the Gurubashi Empire was strong. Heathens dared to challenge the priest of Hakkar, but were hunted and killed as vermin. Those heathens never wavered in their fight against the Blood God and so the tribe honors the price the freethinkers paid.

this is what you use to mean that we should have Zandalari paladins? "imbue their breastplates with powerful mojo" this does sound very far from a warrior of the light.

"Mojo is a substance, usually seen in liquid form that trolls use in their voodoo rituals.[1] It is described as being a frothy, sticky substance with a light glow.[2][3][4] Excess amounts are usually carried in flasks and decanters.

Mojo can be taken from trolls[5][6] and animals.[7] Additionally, some ogres are said to use mojo. Some ogre jewelry is said to contain mojo power and at least one ogre known as Warosh had his 'mojo' sucked from him, he tasked adventurers with reclaiming his mojo."

This sound more like a Rune Warrior or some kind of Death Knight warriors

Using Wowpedia there? "Mojo" is basically just a word for "essence" or "magic shit". In Nazmir, a Shadow Hunter imbues you with some of his fire mojo. No sticky shit involved. He just puts some of his fire magic in you.

[Enkrypt]

thanks you for this info, as you can see, all of his spells are focus on the Loa with are ancient Spirits and demi Gods, it has nothing to do with the sun or The light.

Since I know you will fight me back, the "Light of the Loa" could be a direct power for that spirit, using the "light" word to show that it comes dirrectly from that Specific Loa.

Dude, are you on drugs? The spells are literally Holy-based magic spells. How much goalpost moving are you going to do to justify your weak thread? They exist. They've been shown to harness Holy magic. You can keep saying this "nature shaman blah blah" nonsense all you want. The spells are not Nature magic.

The freakin' spell icons are even a clue. They LOOK like a Paladin's spells. They are identified as HOLY MAGIC. You've presented nothing as solid as that to counter it.

[Yarathir]

Dude, are you on drugs? The spells are literally Holy-based magic spells. How much goalpost moving are you going to do to justify your weak thread? They exist. They've been shown to harness Holy magic. You can keep saying this "nature shaman blah blah" nonsense all you want. The spells are not Nature magic.

The freakin' spell icons are even a clue. They LOOK like a Paladin's spells. They are identified as HOLY MAGIC. You've presented nothing as solid as that to counter it.

This.

Judgment of the Loa
15 yd range
Instant
Unleashes the Loa's judgment on an enemy, inflicting 329 Holy damage for each application of Mark of the Loa.


Mark of the Loa
10 yd range
Instant
Inflicts 330 Holy damage every second for 15 sec. This effect stacks.


Seal of the Loa
Instant
Successful melee attacks inflict 600 Holy damage every second for 15 sec. This effect stacks.



Name: Taste of Blood
School: Physical

Name: Seal of the Loa
School: Physical

Name: Mark of the Loa
School: Holy

Name: Light of the Loa
School: Holy

Name: Judgment of the Loa
School: Holy

[KrakHed]

Dude, are you on drugs? The spells are literally Holy-based magic spells. How much goalpost moving are you going to do to justify your weak thread? They exist. They've been shown to harness Holy magic. You can keep saying this "nature shaman blah blah" nonsense all you want. The spells are not Nature magic.

The freakin' spell icons are even a clue. They LOOK like a Paladin's spells. They are identified as HOLY MAGIC. You've presented nothing as solid as that to counter it.

Troll Priests aren't nature Priests either. "Loa" isn't a monolithic category that only includes Nature Gods, and Nature Gods can be quite varied. Draenor had animal gods attuned to Void, Arcane, and Light. Troll Priests have legitimate Shadow and Light magic. Maybe some Troggs and Yeti.

[Wolfrick]

I see Zandalari Prelates similar to a few other classes and races.

The Sunwalkers were a new tribe that simply wanted to use the power of An'she more than the power of Mu'sha in order to restore balance. There was no lore for that, ever, before the end of WotLK, where Blizzard had already decided (and, I believe they had announced) Tauren paladins would be a thing in Cataclysm. There was never a mention of it before that, and in lore the Sunwalkers would be a small tribe, since they are so new to Tauren culture. Yet, they still became playable, even though their numbers are very small.

Blood Elf paladins weren't really much of a thing before they were announced as a class for TBC, in order to give the Horde a paladin class. The closest thing in established lore before that was Spellbreakers, which are only similar in the types of armor and weapons they use. But, before TBC, there weren't any established "Blood Elf/High Elf Paladins" at all. Even so, Blood Elves were given a paladin class.

Void Elves are a small population, lore-wise. They have potential for more to be shown, because other Blood Elves and High Elves are joining their ranks now. The only established lore about them, before their announcement, was Alleria - and her powers/Void form aren't even the same as other Void Elves, lore-wise. In lore, they were a very small group of Blood Elves that studied the Void, and were banished for that. Yet, they became an entire race for people to play on the Alliance.

Zandalari Prelates have, at the very least, shown up in Thone of Thunder. They use paladin-like moves, a shield, and a sword. It's as similar to a paladin as a Sunwalker, or a Blood Knight (during TBC) - a holy warrior. Besides that, in Vanilla there was established lore for Freethinkers - zealots that infuse their plate armor with magic. They're also revered for using their imbued armor to fight Hakkar a long time ago. The Freethinker armor was only for paladins in Vanilla.

Sure, in lore there wouldn't be many Zandalari Paladins/Prelates/Freethinkers, but they would exist. They have lore solidifying their place in Zandalar's culture. That's more than the Blood Knights or Sunwalkers before they were made. If entire races can be pulled out of thin air as a thriving population, then there's no reason for Blizzard to ignore something actually stated to exist in lore already. Sure, they wouldn't be "paladins" exactly, but neither were Sunwalkers or Blood Knights. Trolls were never specifically called "druids" in any of their cultures before Cataclysm, yet the lore existed that they used their animal gods for power, similarly to druids.

Really, they could add any race/class combo they wanted, and there's little lore to stop them. At the very least, it makes perfect sense for Zandalari to have a holy warrior class. It even makes sense as far as the cultures they were based off of - Mayan and Aztec societies had holy warriors as well.

1st: Sunwalkers as a Warrior that uses the light to fight in World of warcraft is new, but for the Tauren race it is not, they have worshipt the light and the Sun since the begging of time for there race, even before the sundering the Night elf druids worshiped the Moon God "Elune" and the Tauren worshiped the Sun god.

So in the cutlure is very right and Natural to have small tribed that could become or all ready be Paladins (sunwalkers), many tauren warriors/Enchantment shamans/Feral druids would come in huge number to join this class.

2nd: Blood elfs have been High elfs for a long long time, they have had Spell breakers and warriors of magic and light for a long time, not out right Palainds but something very similar, even the SUNWELL was at there hand, so it would be very natural to become Paladins and many Elfs would flood to that class even high elfs that was with the Alliance would change Faction to come e back to there beloved Silvermoon.

3rd: Voidelfs, as of Blood elfs or high elfs, they have always been adicted to magic all from back in the day when they was Highborn, there culture is based on that value that Magic is Essencial for the livving, so Having a faction based on Void Magic that is one of the most powrful magic of all times, would have Mages/Warlocks/Blood Paladins/Priets/Warriors come to the Void elf faction to be reborn is in new Infinit power.

PS: Many many Blood elfs feel like it wrong to be a part of the Horde so many would join the void elfs just to jion the Alliance "There old friends from the old days"

4th: Trolls have been druids from all time, they have just not shown up as a playable race, but the very Essence of a Loa is a creater in tuned with Nature it self, even back in the day when the great Troll empire had the World in his grasp there was Trolls Druids among them, so that is not a new topic or a new class, and yet again, Troll cutlure if Nature and spirit based which is the very essence of Druidism ^^

5th: Zandalari Prelates are in small numbers and are following the Prophet Zul, which is not following the true teachings of Zandalari Cultures, since we are going to The very capitol of Zandalari and following King Rastacan, the True King of the Zandalari, it would be so wrong to see 100 Zandalari paladins run around.

Final point, the fundation of Zandalari paladins Would be a small, small cult, that many, many Zandalari trolls would think Twice to join.

[Yarathir]

Troll Priests aren't nature Priests either. "Loa" isn't a monolithic category that only includes Nature Gods, and Nature Gods can be quite varied. Draenor had animal gods attuned to Void, Arcane, and Light. Troll Priests have legitimate Shadow and Light magic.

Indeed, Loa are weird things. A holy Loa is so easy to fit in it's ridiculous.

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The real reason is Blizzard don't wanna give Horde more paladins, and Shamans for Alliance.

[Yarathir]

The real reason is Blizzard don't wanna give Horde more paladins, and Shamans for Alliance.

I mean - Dark Iron Shamans and Zandalari Palains could work easily.

[RizzleFrazzle]

I mean - Dark Iron Shamans and Zandalari Palains could work easily.

The Dark Iron not being Shamans is beyond crazy. I mentioned it earlier, they've legitimately been with Elemental lords this entire time and Blizz expects that at no point did they find a way to attune themselves to the elements?

But sure let's have the Zandalari come into next to no contact with Fel but they can be Warlocks no probs guiz