Mobilize the Troops - Send a post a day to Blizzard Twitters - Zandalari Paladins

[Yarathir]

Already make my valid point, if you can't understand get out or stay in a corner reading nobody will miss you.

You didn't make a point, or an argument. It was an assertion.

Just wanted to help you understand the difference.

[Deleted]

You didn't make a point, or an argument. It was an assertion.

Just wanted to help you understand the difference.

Unfortunately you can't grasp the difference between assertion and argument.


Assertion is asking for ZPaladin because it is in the lore, when there is no proof that they are in the lore, there are Prelate yes, but those arent Paladin otherwise every race would have every classes since in game there is a mob/npc for any combination just because "BBBBUT HE HAS 2/50 SPELLS LIKE THIS CLASS DERP"



My argument, and thus my point, is that asking for something more valuable than a "new combination" of class that would not even been viable day1 of BfA, would be way better because we can ask for something better than a troll in arthas gear for god sake.

We asked for sub-races [customization] and new classes [new content] but we got a new races [new content] so we can ask for sub-classes/overlays [customization].




Go on and ask for a zandalri paladin, when they will say "nay" people will ask for another class-combination and so on, we can just ask for 1 thing that will make this game way better without changing the gameplay/balance.

[Yarathir]

Unfortunately you can't grasp the difference between assertion and argument.


Assertion is asking for ZPaladin because it is in the lore, when there is no proof that they are in the lore, there are Prelate yes, but those arent Paladin otherwise every race would have every classes since in game there is a mob/npc for any combination just because "BBBBUT HE HAS 2/50 SPELLS LIKE THIS CLASS DERP"



My argument, and thus my point, is that asking for something more valuable than a "new combination" of class that would not even been viable day1 of BfA, would be way better because we can ask for something better than a troll in arthas gear for god sake.

We asked for sub-races [customization] and new classes [new content] but we got a new races [new content] so we can ask for sub-classes/overlays [customization].




Go on and ask for a zandalri paladin, when they will say "nay" people will ask for another class-combination and so on, we can just ask for 1 thing that will make this game way better without changing the gameplay/balance.

There is proof. The Prelate is valid proof.

And he has 3 out of 5 spells that are almost literal Paladin ripped spells.

And yes, yours was an assertion, not an argument.


Judgment of the Loa
15 yd range
Instant
Unleashes the Loa's judgment on an enemy, inflicting 329 Holy damage for each application of Mark of the Loa.


Mark of the Loa
10 yd range
Instant
Inflicts 330 Holy damage every second for 15 sec. This effect stacks.


Seal of the Loa
Instant
Successful melee attacks inflict 600 Holy damage every second for 15 sec. This effect stacks.



Name: Taste of Blood
School: Physical

Name: Seal of the Loa
School: Physical

Name: Mark of the Loa
School: Holy

Name: Light of the Loa
School: Holy

Name: Judgment of the Loa
School: Holy

[rasako]

anyone else feel like all the rage in here is from butthurt alliance fanboys who aren't happy with their edgy voidelves even though they're the most popular allied race by a massive margin?

[Yarathir]

anyone else feel like all the rage in here is from butthurt alliance fanboys who aren't happy with their edgy voidelves even though they're the most popular allied race by a massive margin?

I'm a mainly Alliance player and I want Zandadins. Seems more so human paladins that are upset that they can't act like their silly little paladin order isn't unique or special anymore.

[Deleted]

There is proof. The Prelate is valid proof.

And he has 3 out of 5 spells that are almost literal Paladin ripped spells.

And yes, yours was an assertion, not an argument.


Judgment of the Loa
15 yd range
Instant
Unleashes the Loa's judgment on an enemy, inflicting 329 Holy damage for each application of Mark of the Loa.


Mark of the Loa
10 yd range
Instant
Inflicts 330 Holy damage every second for 15 sec. This effect stacks.


Seal of the Loa
Instant
Successful melee attacks inflict 600 Holy damage every second for 15 sec. This effect stacks.



Name: Taste of Blood
School: Physical

Name: Seal of the Loa
School: Physical

Name: Mark of the Loa
School: Holy

Name: Light of the Loa
School: Holy

Name: Judgment of the Loa
School: Holy

WOW 3 SPELL LOOKS LIKE PALADIN SPELLS!!!


This is the proof we needed.


Hey look

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Grimtotem_Bandit


A TAUREN ROGUE WITH KICK AND DISARM!!!!!



We must spam twitters for Tauren Rogues.





Ah but there are no Tauren Rogue combination for players hence it was an assertion like Prelate ones ;(

[Yarathir]

WOW 3 SPELL LOOKS LIKE PALADIN SPELLS!!!


This is the proof we needed.


Hey look

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Grimtotem_Bandit


A TAUREN ROGUE WITH KICK AND DISARM!!!!!



We must spam twitters for Tauren Rogues.





Ah but there are no Tauren Rogue combination for players hence it was an assertion like Prelate ones ;(

You also forgot the fact that there are plenty of Zandalari Priest mobs that yes, do use holy abilities.

You're kind of making yourself look like a laughing stock. It's funny.

[Tiwack]

Does it fit the lore? That's for blizz to decide - it's their IP

Things like this is how we ended up with fx garrisons. Protesting with silly arguments backing you up just means people laugh at you. Take a hint instead of doubling down. Put faith in blizz that somethings gotta give. 8 years with only two horde combos for paladins - they'll be aware - certainly now.

[Deleted]

You also forgot the fact that there are plenty of Zandalari Priest mobs that yes, do use holy abilities.

And troll priest are a reality, not so much for zandalari paladin but continue

[Yarathir]

And troll priest are a reality, not so much for zandalari paladin but continue

Why don't they, then?

You can't use "but they can't use holy abilities." as a reason.

And there are already Freethinkers and Prelates as said before.

So what withholds them then?

[Deleted]

People keep talking about Zandalari Paladin lore like it's some big thing. It's not. There's barely even enough lore for speculation, let alone an argument.

There are two points for Paladins: freethinkers and prelates.

1) Prelates. A random trash mob with no backstory has an ability that has the word "light" in it. Deep lore.

2) Freethinkers. A throwaway line of flavor text whose only connection to the light is that they're associated with a vanilla paladin raid quest. That's it. They're not said to be paladins, or even holy light users. They're name dropped in a quest. Deep lore.

There are stronger arguments to be made for Night Elf paladins, Undead paladins, Orc Priests, Human druids, hell even Blood Elf shamans and druids. But all of those sound absurd and have massive thematic conflicts, just like Troll paladins (who don't have any lore substance to them, unlike all the previous listed examples).

Night Elf Paladins: WC3 Priestess of the Moon and the Moonfangs.
Undead Paladin: Sir Zeliek and indirectly Alonsus Faol
Orc Priests: Necrolytes, Shadow Mages, progenitors of the modern shadow priest and forsaken priests
Human Druids: Gilneans
Blood Elf Shaman: Starion in Thousand Needles
Blood Elf Druid: Eversong Forest lore, Nature mages, and Botanist Freywinn

What do the Zandalari have? Literally nothing but half-baked speculation. Why do people even care so much?

Have you seen current Horde Paladin races? Tauren look weird in the golden armour and many don't want to play a pretty race. so yes i want my Paladin to be an ugly race that will look good in golden light themed armour

[Deleted]

It isn't out of troll style so long as you've leveled past, say, 30.

Guess I forgot to play those last 13 years, huh.

Or maybe having 4 npc that aren't even paladins but just something vaguely similar, and without a single thing saying they're a big part of their civilization doesn't make it relevant nor of the same style. There are exceptions everywhere, deal with it.

Out of Darkspear Troll style.

Not Zandalari Troll style.

See above. Because they're not as far from Zandalari style than Darkspear style doesn't make them close.

What does this have to do with not being able to be Paladin?

Being a Paladin has very little to do with racial roots. Humans only fairly recently became Paladins, and they're the stunted offspring of Vrykul.

Yet everyone bases the idea of Paladins on this generic "omg holy knight human." notion.

Because humans were the first race to become paladins, whether it's recent ot not (unless draeneï did it too before coming to Azeroth, but even then it's not a problem since they're very similar in every point).

Getting your power from Loa (so basically a wild god == close to nature, for the most parts, spirits otherwise) has nothing to do with getting your power from the Holy Light, which is the basis of a paladin. One harness a latent universal energy trough faith or by using a heap of said energy (aka naarus), the other one asks for benedictions from deities, most of them closer to nature than anything else, and the rest just being spirits, which still has nothing to do with the Light.

Zandalari Prelates. Taunka. Yaungol. Corrupted Shaman. All in-game examples that completely counter what you claim.

Git gud plz.

Zandalari prelates aren't paladins, nor a known important part of society, see above.

As for dark shamans, I'll admit i forgot about them. Still, they're close to nature and all elements, not slaves to ONE and only ONE of them.
And there is still no other viable connection to Dark Iron shamanism. Hell, even humans and Blood Elves have at least one shaman in their ranks, does that mean they should get access to the class ? Fuck no.

So no, those examples don't counter shit. Having a single counter example does not allow for the butchering of the lore along with race and class identities. Deal with the fact that things should not be given to players, and stay in NPC hands.

[Deleted]

Why don't they, then?

You can't use "but they can't use holy abilities." as a reason.

And there are already Freethinkers and Prelates as said before.

So what withholds them then?

Because Paladin and Shaman are signature classes, that rappresent-ed Alliance and Horde, other classes can shift between those 2 factions without any huge problem.

But Paladin and Shaman since TBC had the most awkward combination.


BELF PALADIN - SPACEGOAT SHAMAN

Ok, first try...BELF are more suitable than SPACEGOAT

TAUREN PALADIN - DWARF SHAMAN

Tauren make no sense as Paladin.
Dwarf shaman from Wildhammer? fine.



BFA


We got Lightforged Draenei SHAMAN? Nope, because that was fucking crazy.
We got Zandalari PALADIN? Seems to NOPE BECAUSE 1 they got already Druid and there are no race with Druid Pala Shaman and zandalari will get shaman for sure.

And this just in the "Shaman" and "Paladin" as we know those classes in the wow original lore.





but with overlays....

BELF Blood Knight with Seal of Blood and Martyr-lore oriented spell? Sign me up.
SUNWALKER Tauren that praise the Sun and smite people with his totem of light? Woa where Do I sign?
ZANDALARI Prelate filled with devotion and zelotry for the LOA? You bought me at Prelate.

[chrisisvacant]

Important subjectively =\= Important objectively


And Zandalari Troll are "subj" because it is just the whiny cry for people that want a class that has no sense, like sunwalker paladin, because those are not Paladin like the Vanilla TBC Wotlk etc Paladin but a sub-class of a Paladin, and that is fine and right to ask.



Ask for Prelate Zandalari not Paladin, ask them to make the Prelate as the "zandalari" paladin.



Asking for Overlays/Race-flavor Class "skin" not only will make the Zandalari "Paladin" more logical but even It would be even in game, and this would be show as "pre-existing" case of a Class-Race customization hence it will make other classes that people are asking since the dawn of time making into the game without touching the class balance.

So now you are needling over how it is asked for? Who the fuck cares so long as it is asked in a meaningful way? Prelate, Sunwalker, Blood Knight, whatever - it matters not.

[Lunaprika]

[...]there are no race with Druid Pala Shaman and zandalari will get shaman for sure.

Tauren? /10char

[Nibelheimy]

WOW 3 SPELL LOOKS LIKE PALADIN SPELLS!!!


This is the proof we needed.


Hey look

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Grimtotem_Bandit


A TAUREN ROGUE WITH KICK AND DISARM!!!!!



We must spam twitters for Tauren Rogues.





Ah but there are no Tauren Rogue combination for players hence it was an assertion like Prelate ones ;(

+ that's a Grimtotem. We don't play those.

[bloodmoth13]

WOW 3 SPELL LOOKS LIKE PALADIN SPELLS!!!
This is the proof we needed.
Hey look
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Grimtotem_Bandit
A TAUREN ROGUE WITH KICK AND DISARM!!!!!
We must spam twitters for Tauren Rogues.
Ah but there are no Tauren Rogue combination for players hence it was an assertion like Prelate ones ;(

just wait for grimtotem allied race to be announced, players WILL want grimtotem rogues.
And as far as npc abilities go, 3-4 abilities is HUGE.

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No. A Zandalari warrior charging around on their wardino would look cool. A Zandalari paladin wielding a magic completely out of troll style would look stupid.

how is the light out of their style? they have had priests since warcraft 3 using the light, and zandalari =/= darkspear, they are more civilized and like to wear a LOT of gold, know who else likes to wear a lot of gold? ill give you one gues.... NO its not druids, its PALADINS!!!
zandaladins: #CONFIRMED *NOOT**NOO-NOO-NOO-NOO-NOOOOOOT*

[Zelk]

why not ask for zandalari demon hunters instead? Makes about as much sense in the lore and would be a much better option gameplay wise.

[Deleted]

How about no? How about you get a life you stupid SPOILED inbred fuck?

[Multitorix Davlen]

Consitering Blizzard doesnt like petitions yes it is childish.