Dark Iron Shamans... hope blizzard changes their mind

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Absolutely not.

Paladin mix Warrior and Clerics analogy not Priest, a Cleric is a man of light, a Priest can worship Light and Shadow.


Infact the Silver Hand were Clerics tbh

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Shandra the VENOM QUEEN SPIDER grants HOLY POWER?

"Dark clerics
The Forsaken have dark clerics, for example Dark Cleric Duesten, Dark Cleric Beryl, Dark Cleric Salem, and Dark Cleric Malod, which like most Forsaken have turned their abilities towards the Forgotten Shadow.

Dark clerics are likely equivalent to the dark priests, which are like archbishops ruling over wide territories of the cult of the Forgotten Shadow.[6] (HPG 161)"

Once again. Moron

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"Dark clerics
The Forsaken have dark clerics, for example Dark Cleric Duesten, Dark Cleric Beryl, Dark Cleric Salem, and Dark Cleric Malod, which like most Forsaken have turned their abilities towards the Forgotten Shadow.

Dark clerics are likely equivalent to the dark priests, which are like archbishops ruling over wide territories of the cult of the Forgotten Shadow.[6] (HPG 161)"

Once again. Moron

HPG = Horde Player Guide of Warcraft RPG a NON CANON SOURCE OF LORE.


Sigh. but nice try.

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Knights_of_the_Silver_Hand

The Holy Order of Northshire Clerics was devastated during the First War. Seeking to create an order that would suffer less attrition in battle, the Archbishop of the Church of the Holy Light, Alonsus Faol, along with his apprentice Uther, recruited noble knights (to train in the ways of the Light) and members of the priesthood (to train in martial combat). In Alonsus Chapel in Stratholme, Uther was appointed the first of the paladins. He was followed by Saidan Dathrohan, Tirion Fordring and Turalyon (candidates recommended by Alonsus Faol himself)[7] as well as Gavinrad (a candidate proposed by Lord Anduin Lothar.)[8] The Order of the Silver Hand was thus born.

While yes, it might have been mostly clerics, but priesthood is also mentioned. It might mean that "clerics" are a smaller part of "priesthood", but who knows. Rest of my point still stands. It was both knights and priests/clerics that became paladins.

Before the events of the First War, the mission of the Clerics of Northshire of Northshire Abbey was to spread the message of the Holy Light to people of the Kingdom of Azeroth. Following the invasion of the Horde which triggered the First War, Archbishop Alonsus Faol led the clerics into battle to aid the people of the kingdom. The clerics, although brave and powered by both healing and destructive powers of the Light, were unprepared for the dangers of war, and suffered heavy losses. This, following the end of the First War in orcish victory, prompted Faol, along with his apprentice, Uther Lightbringer, to found the paladin Order of the Silver Hand. The paladins, although possessing spirit of the clerics preceded them, were mighty knights talented in the arts of war. The Order of the Silver Hand greatly helped the Alliance of Lordaeron to overcome the Horde's might during the Second War. After the end of Second War, Archbishop Faol returned to his native Azeroth, which would be known as the Kingdom of Stormwind in the following years, to aid in its reconstruction. A new clerical order, comprised of clerics, priests and paladins, was founded: the Holy Order of Northshire.

[Ramz]

Shandra the VENOM QUEEN SPIDER grants HOLY POWER?

HOLY AND SHADOW ( *dat does not compute! *brain explode*!!):

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=69132/hig...arli#abilities

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It's not idiotic, it's not a no-name NPC. It's mob, so it means that there is actual number of them, they're not special snowflake exception, but military unit that has it's numbers.

It makvs far more sense than having special one NPC, because one NPC can be treated as mere individual.

Zandalaris had previously Freethinkers and Juggrnauts that were also working as Paladin equivalent.

No it doesn't. Makes no sense at all, because by that logic, we'd have stuff like Draenei Warlocks and Forsaken Paladins, lots of those around.

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HOLY AND SHADOW ( *dat does not compute! *brain explode*!!):

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=69132/hig...arli#abilities

High Priestess that is the trick.


Also Mar'li wasnt a Gurubashi ?

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Taunka. Taunka enslave the elements to do their bidding. Not just Taunka - Corrupted Shaman of Garrosh's horde, and a couple other races too.

You mistake the Taunka with the Yaungol. Furthermore it proves nothing about my argument being invalid, as I said, the Dark iron dwarfs are enslaved by Ragnaros NOT vice versa. How do you want to enslave elements when their elemental lord can burn you in an instant?

[Ramz]

High Priestess that is the trick.

Not really, we were talking about Loa Shadra and her ability to give holy powers. She gave powers to her Priestess, that were from opposing Power spectrums.

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No it doesn't. Makes no sense at all, because by that logic, we'd have stuff like Draenei Warlocks and Forsaken Paladins, lots of those around.

This .


You want troll paladin but still we haven't UD paladin that have more proof in game than Prelate mobs.

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Not really, we were talking about Loa Shadra and her ability to give holy powers. She gave powers to her Priestess, that were from opposing Power spectrums.

We are trying to see more than what actually it is.

Blizzard can't make precise school spell for any mob to avoid those situation.

Also Holy doesn't mean Light 100%

[Triggered Fridgekin]

HPG = Horde Player Guide of Warcraft RPG a NON CANON SOURCE OF LORE.


Sigh. but nice try.

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Before the events of the First War, the mission of the Clerics of Northshire of Northshire Abbey was to spread the message of the Holy Light to people of the Kingdom of Azeroth. Following the invasion of the Horde which triggered the First War, Archbishop Alonsus Faol led the clerics into battle to aid the people of the kingdom. The clerics, although brave and powered by both healing and destructive powers of the Light, were unprepared for the dangers of war, and suffered heavy losses. This, following the end of the First War in orcish victory, prompted Faol, along with his apprentice, Uther Lightbringer, to found the paladin Order of the Silver Hand. The paladins, although possessing spirit of the clerics preceded them, were mighty knights talented in the arts of war. The Order of the Silver Hand greatly helped the Alliance of Lordaeron to overcome the Horde's might during the Second War. After the end of Second War, Archbishop Faol returned to his native Azeroth, which would be known as the Kingdom of Stormwind in the following years, to aid in its reconstruction. A new clerical order, comprised of clerics, priests and paladins, was founded: the Holy Order of Northshire.

Some of the clerics were warrior priests,[2] but many were merely healers,[3] and they suffered great losses during the war, which is why the Knights of the Silver Hand were created in the first place - to defend the people as well as heal them.[4]

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Uther was a knight and apprentice cleric to Archbishop Alonsus Faol during the First War,[5][6] and had been a worshipper of the Holy Light since his youth. Uther met the archbishop when he was simply Bishop Faol, and he served as Uther's spiritual advisor and mentor.

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Alonsus Faol - Character class Priest, Cleric

Sounds like you two are arguing over semantics in much the same way Blizzard does.

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No it doesn't. Makes no sense at all, because by that logic, we'd have stuff like Draenei Warlocks and Forsaken Paladins, lots of those around.

Draenei warlocks? You mean legion aligned eredar? Because draenei are the faction of eredar that chose not to follow the Legion.

As for Forsaken paladin, I only know Sir Zilek and he is stated to be exception. Forsaken can use the light, but only few of them does so, as it literally hurts them, and it takes incredible willpower for them to do it.

So no, it makes sense. And not just because of mob. But I'll invite you to Zandalari paladin thread to read all the feedback posted within this subject, because we're derailing Drak Iron Dward subject.

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You want troll paladin but still we haven't UD paladin that have more proof in game than Prelate mobs.

Ok, please link.

[Flurryfang]

I honestly dont understand why the Zandalari cant be Paladins or Deathknights.
I mean, they can be Warlocks which make less sense than Paly/DK.

I could see Dark Iron Shamans work.
But i think they should leave something to differentiate from the Wildhammers (which will eventually be introduced)

But if we have light-wielding undead and tauren paladins.. anything goes.

The Dks is something with fixed time. Only races who were out in the open and could be part of the Scourge as of the creation of the Argent Crusade, can be DKs.

[Ramz]

We are trying to see more than what actually it is.

Blizzard can't make precise school spell for any mob to avoid those situation.

Also Holy doesn't mean Light 100%

But since Paladin is using spells from HOLY School, it works for Zandaladins, because Loas are their holy deities.

And even if you're stubborn that is has to be THe LIGHT, then Loas can still grant Light powers, hence "Light of Loa" spell.

[Ielenia]

Yes.

You will have the same class but "reworked" to fit better the race/lore.

Then it's a complete and total waste of time and resources. People don't want classes that are carbon-copies of existing classes, only with different names slapped to the class' name and abilities. It's nonsense.

And in case you're talking about customization in the class, then, what's the point? What's the difference if you're casting "judgment" or "judgment of the loa", if both spells do the exact same thing, both in mechanic and graphic? For you, it makes zero difference, other than pleasing your sensibilities, but, code-wise, it becomes another thing to keep track of, as it would be another ability to keep in mind when doing balancing, since those would be two separate abilities, code-wise.

You can have the same template of a Human Paladin of Stormwind into a Zandalari Prelate, the base may be the same, im fine, but then one goes into another direction.
We need to make that visible in game.

Like a LoL/Dota/Hots SKIN, gameplay 0 change but in the end the feels will be different.

Transmog is your friend. I bet you the paladin tier in BfA's first raid tier will be troll- or loa-themed. If that doesn't fit your "human paladin" theme, you have countless other transmog sets in the game to help you.

Lore? We arent facing Trolls for the first time, we encountered pretty much all the tribe and nobody had a Light Loa, some have the same loa, you can retcon it in BfA but then Chronicles will be no more the actual lore source.

We also never set foot in the zandalari capital. We saw zandalari who behave exactly like a paladin would, down to the same abilities. We also don't know all the loa that exist. There could easily be a loa of light on Zandalar.

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Then it's a complete and total waste of time and resources. People don't want classes that are carbon-copies of existing classes, only with different names slapped to the class' name and abilities. It's nonsense.

No Proof to backup your claim sorry.


Also the overlay thread had a poll and the result where pretty polarized towards Yes.

[Ielenia]

HPG = Horde Player Guide of Warcraft RPG a NON CANON SOURCE OF LORE.


Sigh. but nice try.

In that case, can you point us where, in the lore, the game makes a clear distinction between a cleric and a priest as two separate concepts, please?

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No Proof to backup your claim sorry.


Also the overlay thread had a poll and the result where pretty polarized towards Yes.

Go to the official forums (or MMO-C's forum too) and look for threads complaining about class homogenization. You can't get more "homogenized" than having classes as "carbon-copies" of each other with the only difference being class and ability names.

I'm also amused that this is the only part of my post that you decided to respond to.

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In that case, can you point us where, in the lore, the game makes a distinction between a cleric and a priest as two separate concepts, please?

Clerics of Norrhshire?

Scarlet Clerics and Scarlet Priest mobs?

You can see on wowpedia

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Clerics are quoted in the Warcraft 1 player book guide.
And it even stated that Clerics of Norrhshire where formed by clerics, priest and Paladins.

[meowfurion]

Trolls can be priests. They should be able to be paladins also. It's not such a leap in logic at all.

And Dark Iron shaman BETTER happen, by golly.

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Metzen " Of Blood and Honor " state that some Clerics became Warriors but not all.