As Gunman Rampaged Through Florida School, Armed Deputy ‘Never Went In’

[Collegeguy]

Quite wrong. They are trained to set up a perimeter and wait for the specialists. He did exactly what he was supposed to do

Obviously not since his boss highly disapproved, said it made him sick, and then opened an investigation on him. He resigned immediately after being confronted.

So no, not what he was suppose to do.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Oh, I'd back off that a bit even, these shootings happened because someone was not normal. They not only a.) disregarded human life (mental issues), b.) had the thought of harming human life (mental issues), but the biggest of all c.) (what's the word?) "conscience?" to actually take human life. Oh wait, it looks like all three are related back to someone having mental issues.

I personally don't know what the solution is to the mental issues these people have, I mean we can't really lock people up because they have these thoughts, and I don't think prescribing happy pills will do shit as the person could just stop taking them. I also think if someone is that intent to go through with the shooting in the first place, they would be able to get their hand on items to take lives.

Well I totally respect your perspective, I mean that, I don't know either, but you are by leaps and bounds better than most trying to pretend they do. Nothing wrong with an opinion or guess, but mine is just like yours. Based on what I read.

I am sure we both may have missed something or miss pieces of information. I would agree it hurts the heart and mind to think of children being murdered and feeling helpless.

Self preservation is one of the strongest instincts humans have. But based on the way I see it, this kid was a problem for a long time, and the school knew it, I am not exactly sure what business he even had inside of the school after he got expelled. I also don't know where the counselors and support was.

[alturic]

Obviously not since his boss highly disapproved, said it made him sick, and then opened an investigation on him. He resigned immediately after being confronted.

So no, not what he was suppose to do.

Oh, be fucking real. The sheriff is playing these people like a fiddle.

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Well I totally respect your perspective, I mean that, I don't know either, but you are by leaps and bounds better than most trying to pretend they do. Nothing wrong with an opinion or guess, but mine is just like yours. Based on what I read.

I am sure we both may have missed something or miss pieces of information. I would agree it hurts the heart and mind to think of children being murdered and feeling helpless.

Self preservation is one of the strongest instincts humans have. But based on the way I see it, this kid was a problem for a long time, and the school knew it, I am not exactly sure what business he even had inside of the school after he got expelled. I also don't know where the counselors and support was.

I'm unsure why you're agreeing to disagree with something I said, without actually saying what you're disagree with me on? I thought we were on the same page. LOL

[Doctor Amadeus]

People watch too many movies.

One cop versus an active shooter? Cop is going to take up a defensive position 99% of the time until backup arrives. The average cop is trained to deal with an immediate threat, not enter a building and face an active shooter on their own. A shooter who could have had anything, or been anywhere, one that might have started shooting more people after seeing the sole officer. A more likely scenario is that officer feels the need to start shooting anyone who makes a sudden move towards him because he is in the he
no idea who is what, how many shooters there are, etc, until more backup arrives and intel can be gathered. Notice when the police (namely SWAT) do breach a building they roll in deep. Best he could do was call it in and wait for backup to arrive. Its like bitching about a cop not saving someone from being stabbed, think about why a cop won't save you from being stabbed.

Pretty on point, and I agree about the other elements. How many shooters were there, what other kinds of details where they working on.

[Aitch]

So hard to say what I would have done in his stead. My courage varies so much depending on my mood. My rational mind probably would have thought how much of a hero the media would have made me, and what opportunities that might have opened for my future. My perpetual workplace cynicism would have resisted placing myself in danger for my job.

It’s a toughie. His firing was totally justified, but I can completely understand the motivation to his inaction.

[alturic]

I don't think I've seen anyone on these forums argue that a cop shouldn't shoot someone that has a gun drawn on them.

But sure, feel free to make shit up for your pointless post.

You're right, it's typically "why couldn't they have shot him in the leg" here.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I'm unsure why you're agreeing to disagree with something I said, without actually saying what you're disagree with me on? I thought we were on the same page. LOL

Fair enough, disagree anything could have been done outside of what we already know happened. I don't have any problem with anything you have said, especially your opinion. If I did I am not right over anything you have said.

I agree, if this crazy idiot had a car he could have just waited until after school and mowed people down also.

[Doctor Amadeus]

So hard to say what I would have done in his stead. My courage varies so much depending on my mood. My rational mind probably would have thought how much of a hero the media would have made me, and what opportunities that might have opened for my future. My perpetual workplace cynicism would have resisted placing myself in danger for my job.

It’s a toughie. His firing was totally justified, but I can completely understand the motivation to his inaction.

here you go let this help you out

[alturic]

Fair enough, disagree anything could have been done outside of what we already know happened. I don't have any problem with anything you have said, especially your opinion. If I did I am not right over anything you have said.

I agree, if this crazy idiot had a car he could have just waited until after school and mowed people down also.

While you're not someone clamoring for gun restrictions, /clap! Now, we need more people like you and I who realize someone intent on taking human lives can just as easily use another everyday object.

[Collegeguy]

Oh, be fucking real. The sheriff is playing these people like a fiddle.

While it's likely he wants to get some heat off of himself for the lack of prevention with the suspects rap sheet, the transparency is good imo. However, chances are it probably did strike a cord with the sheriff because were talking about a school here.

It’s a toughie. His firing was totally justified, but I can completely understand the motivation to his inaction.

I think everyone can understand because its scary, but if you're being paid 75,000 to 100,000 to do a job then you should probably do it, or maybe lay off the donuts so you're not such a fat target in a school hallway.

[alturic]

More "debate" on something with a clear, objective right answer: more gun control.

Care to explain why you think gun control is the answer when such a small (literally, miniscule as in like 0.00001%) amount of the population have the conscience to actually take a human life, let alone think about it, is the answer? The answer is blatantly mental health. There is literally no denying that.

Now, if you typically live your life by putting band-aids on things instead of addressing the root cause, so be it.

[alturic]

While it's likely he wants to get some heat off of himself for the lack of prevention with the suspects rap sheet, the transparency is good imo. However, chances are it probably did strike a cord with the sheriff because were talking about a school here.

Oh, I think it struck a chord with a large amount of people, because it's a school too. Doesn't mean if he was there he would have ran in guns blazing. I'm not saying this is you (honestly), but it's laughable people who think "oh, I have a gun, I can easily take another life" regardless of what the other person is doing, or has.

I'm trying to get the wife to let me buy an AR, but I still say I would be the first to die on the field if I was staring down the barrel of a gun and it was me or them squeezing first. I like to think most sane people would struggle with that, but don't think differently of someone who would actually be able to easily kill or be killed either.

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You think someone can use another everyday object to take lives "just as easily" as a fucking gun? Are you retarded?

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It's almost like stopping people with mental health issues from getting a gun is a form of GUN CONTROL.

I ask you the same question as above.

First point, are you saying it's more difficult to get into a vehicle and mow people down?

If by gun control, you don't mean banning, or restricting anything (bump stocks can be debated but I'd still disagree with it) that is currently legal to purchase, then sure I agree with you, mental health is a topic of gun control and I would be behind that "gun control", but nothing about banning or restricting guns.

[Doctor Amadeus]

While you're not someone clamoring for gun restrictions, /clap! Now, we need more people like you and I who realize someone intent on taking human lives can just as easily use another everyday object.

I just don't see gun control being the point here, is this kid was on the radar and people ignored it.

[Collegeguy]

Oh, I think it struck a chord with a large amount of people, because it's a school too. Doesn't mean if he was there he would have ran in guns blazing. I'm not saying this is you (honestly), but it's laughable people who think "oh, I have a gun, I can easily take another life" regardless of what the other person is doing, or has.

I'm trying to get the wife to let me buy an AR, but I still say I would be the first to die on the field if I was staring down the barrel of a gun and it was me or them squeezing first. I like to think most sane people would struggle with that, but don't think differently of someone who would actually be able to easily kill or be killed either.

Not sure what your point is though. I would guess without further info that you're saying he shouldn't be expected to do his job or be understandable to fail at it?

What other people would have done is irrelevant because they don't have that job. With an active shooter, someone has to eventually respond. I know it sucks. I'm not doing it, the accounting department is not doing it, but eventually someone has too.

[alturic]

I just don't see gun control being the point here, is this kid was on the radar and people ignored it.

Oh, totally. I think one of my first points (might have been another thread) was how from the fed down to local, everyone dropped the ball on this one.

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Not sure what your point is though. I would guess without further info that you're saying he shouldn't be expected to do his job or be understandable to fail at it?

What other people would have done is irrelevant because they don't have that job. With an active shooter, someone has to eventually respond. I know it sucks. I'm not doing it, the accounting department is not doing it, but eventually someone has too.

It was simply a comment back to your "However, chances are it probably did strike a cord with the sheriff because were talking about a school here." I was saying, if he was one of those officers the chances are likely he wouldn't have ran in guns blazing too. In other words, he's playing these people like a fiddle.

[Mormolyce]

If only there had been more Good Guys With Guns, the deputies could've had a game of five-a-side football on the lawn.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Oh, totally. I think one of my first points (might have been another thread) was how from the fed down to local, everyone dropped the ball on this one.

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It was simply a comment back to your "However, chances are it probably did strike a cord with the sheriff because were talking about a school here." I was saying, if he was one of those officers the chances are likely he wouldn't have ran in guns blazing too. In other words, he's playing these people like a fiddle.

It might be harsh me saying this but my first clue off the top when hearing about the shooter was 19 and still and high school?

After being expelled no less for domestic on his girlfriends.

I think by the time I got to 11th I realized this school thing wasn't going to work for me, so I got my ass a real job instead of being worried about beating on highschool girls like this little entitled turd.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for not giving up on kids, or throwing people away but 18 this guy was a grown man, time to take responsibility for yourself.

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If only there had been more Good Guys With Guns, the deputies could've had a game of five-a-side football on the lawn.

Haha exactly which is why that saying is complete and utter nonsense. "Oh I would have gone in, if I die, I die"

More like how about you run in there like a moron get shot and die in a pool of your own blood, while escalating the situation and not making a damn bit of difference, except for if the shooter hadn't shot anyone in his mind and killed them he might now.

Not to mention that bullets can do more than kill, like graze go through your kidney, make it so you have to use a bag to bathroom the rest of your life.

[Najnaj]

Way too much text to read.

But it's part of the job. You shouldn't sign up if you're not going to do it.

It is never the "job" of law enforcement or armed guards to go up alone against a mad man with a gun.

I saw a few sleaze bags who tried to get a little political gain from this guy. One was "sick to his stomach" that a man did not single handedly stop a sudden shooting spree that was over in minutes. Looks like some politicians should stop watching super hero movies.

This poor guy being hanged out to the world now had no clue what was happening, who was shooting, how many shooters there were or where these people might be. If they had a concealed weapon the hundreds of kids trying to get out could all have been the gun man.

[alturic]

Haha exactly which is why that saying is complete and utter nonsense. "Oh I would have gone in, if I die, I die"

More like how about you run in there like a moron get shot and die in a pool of your own blood, while escalating the situation and not making a damn bit of difference, except for if the shooter hadn't shot anyone in his mind and killed them he might now.

Not to mention that bullets can do more than kill, like graze go through your kidney, make it so you have to use a bag to bathroom the rest of your life.

Well, I agree and disagree. On one hand, I totally agree with the thought process of them wanting to stay outside and who knows maybe they did for no other reason than they didn't know where he was? On the other, I could make an easy argument of "well no, I don't expect them to go running in guns blazing, but they should have used their training of clearing rooms, putting something between you and shooter, etc and went in.

Here's another way to pose the question, are we basically saying these 4 deputies have never been in a shooting situation? Are we also saying these 4 deputies have not been trained how to do with a suspect with a gun? Are we also saying these 4 deputies wouldn't ever enter a home or business where someone had a gun and was shooting?

BTW, I totally agree that they are not paid to get shot at, let alone take a bullet, for ANYONE.

[Najnaj]

Haha, nearly 70% of MMO-C members can not tell the difference between vid games and reality.