Are you prepared for "made up on the spot" landmasses after BfA?

[Goldielocks]

Which Keepers would that be exactly? Loken had corrupted/indisposed most of the Keepers with the only 2 escaping were Tyr and Archaedas. Ra was already imprisoned by Lei'shen, Odyn was sealed in Halls of Valor, Mimiron was killed(resurrected and insane), Thorim became emo and went afk, Freya and Hodir fell under Yogg's corruption and Loken exiled all the Titan-forged from Ulduar, sent Old God minions after Tyr and Archaedas and hid in his hole praying Algalon never found out.

Ulduar has existed for a long time. Before the sundering occured. Yogg-saron's corruption didn't nearly last that long. It makes perfect sense that over time, Ulduar mapped the change of the landscape.

It sounded like you were saying that Blizzard was making stuff up as they were going, like Pandaria, but reading more pages back, it's sounding like Anaxie is saying that. My bad.

The reason why Pandaria wasn't on the map was because Blizzard didn't invent it yet as we know it. The original island was far smaller and not worthy of being put on the Keeper's radar.

[MikeBogina]

To be perfectly honest, Blizzard fucked up with Deepholm. The Maelstrom was such a great mystery, they should have made it its own expansion.

Yeah they really fucked up on both of those. The Elemental plane should have been one massive zone cluster like it's described and being connected to the Well of Eternity makes literally no sense, especially for Deepholm. And the Maelstrom was made so small in game, just like how they made the Well of Eternity a pool xD

[huth]

The Maelstrom could have effective served as a "portal" to an entirely different plane of existence.

...that's exactly what it does? It just happens to be Deepholm instead of the Emerald Dream.

For that matter, we've been to all four elemental realms in the Elemental Plane already in Cataclysm. We know what they look like.

[anaxie]

most things each expansion were made up on the spot

Cept the land and core villans and heroes

[huth]

Yeah they really fucked up on both of those. The Elemental plane should have been one massive zone cluster like it's described and being connected to the Well of Eternity makes literally no sense, especially for Deepholm. And the Maelstrom was made so small in game, just like how they made the Well of Eternity a pool xD

I don't think it's actually connected to the Maelstrom. It just happens that the boundary with the Elemental Plane is rather thin there so it was a good place for Deathwing to punch through. It's likely that gateway was closed after we fixed the pillar.

Having the Elemental Plane as Cataclysm's zones might have been better, or it might have been worse. We'll never know now.

As for the Maelstrom... scale. WoW is scaled so it looks good and makes for good gameplay, not for realistic sizes. For all it's worth, Azeroth shouldn't be able to hold an atmosphere with how small it is protrayed ingame.

[InDecisive]

The next expansion marks the end of all islands, continents and landmasses recorded in Warcraft's pre-WoW lore. With expansions showing no signs of slowing down, it is inevitable that Blizzard will soon begin adding entirely original continents for the players to explore; lest we resort to intergalactic spacefaring adventures and planet hop from expansion to expansion (and let's be honest here... really? C'mon...).

While we DO have a few remaining areas to -potentially- serve as expansion-sized material, namely the Dragon Isles north of Quel'Thalas and east of Howling Fjord, plus some unseen nations surrounding Eastern Kingdoms such as Crestfall and Balor, the areas would have to be served with a soft retcon to explain the lack of size and given interesting material to make them worthy areas to visit. Which isn't bad, it's just a repeat of what they did with Broken Isles.

So while we're no doubt a few years from seeing what the next expansion has to offer, or potentially even half a decade from another Azeroth based expansion, Blizzard has already settled on the next expansions location and have started concept art on it already (which they've already confirmed to be in concept stage of the next expansion after the next expansion).

Where do you think we'll see new continents land, and are you alright with sudden, out-of-the-blue entire civilizations cropping up into the lore? Personally, I don't mind, though many are still of the opinion that Azeroth is complete.

We still have Kezan, which I would happy to see retconned into an expansion-sized landmass.

[anaxie]

Except when they do, like half of what Legion was? Like what all of Pandaria was? (Originally Pandaria was a small island believed to be west of Stonetalon) Thunder Isle? Deepholme? Stormheim?

They're fully able to turn Tel'Abim, or any small island or chain of islands into a continent if they felt like it, because its already happened 3 goddamn times. They can make up new continents on the spot, because they already have, and can do so again.

BTW, here is the map of Chronicle Vol. 1


Gee, I wonder where the hell the large, 3-zoned continent of Kul'Tiras is on this map?

You mean, that small island in Baradin Bay??

Post sundering map not post cataclysm map. Bravo.

[Goldielocks]

Cept the land and core villans and heroes

lmao the entire Draenei backstory was made up for TBC because Metzen wanted good Eredar. You're not making sense here.

[huth]

Cept the land and core villans and heroes

Particularly the land. More than half the areas in each expansion were made from scratch and had little to no lore presence beforehand.

[anaxie]

We still have Kezan, which I would happy to see retconned into an expansion-sized landmass.

Kezan is a dungeon in bfa

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Particularly the land. More than half the areas in each expansion were made from scratch and had little to no lore presence beforehand.

Yup but the mainland itself was already established along with the major figures there


Who woulda thought zandalar would involve a rastakhan vs prophet zul confrontation.

Spoiler. Everyone who knew they existed.

[huth]

Yup but the mainland itself was already established along with the major figures there

Run little goalpost, run!

[anaxie]

lmao the entire Draenei backstory was made up for TBC because Metzen wanted good Eredar. You're not making sense here.

Fortunaretly we now have chronicle to deeply cement that lore.

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Run little goalpost, run!

So you dispute that bfa is using kul tiras. Zandalar. Azshara. Prophet zul and nzoth to drive the story?

[Goldielocks]

Fortunaretly we now have chronicle to deeply cement that lore.

Blizzard isn't going to stop doing that. They're not going to purposefully limit themselves. Chronicle exists to clean up the lore, but there are gaps left in it so that Blizzard can fill them in later. The Titan souls is one example.

[MikeBogina]

Ulduar has existed for a long time. Before the sundering occured.

Yogg-saron's corruption didn't nearly last that long.

It didn't? Yogg'Saron's corruption lasted 15,000 years. Everything I told you was 5000 years before the War of the Ancients and 10,000 after that war, Loken and YoggSaron were finally defeated.

The reason why Pandaria wasn't on the map was because Blizzard didn't invent it yet. The original island was far smaller and not worthy of being put on the Keeper's radar.

It was invented, but you confirm it by saying it was originally smaller. With the Globe, lets be honest, the guys who put that in there aren't the lore guys, even confirmed by Chris Metzen. But for a legit lore reason? It's simple, no one was in Ulduar to maintain the systems. Loken and Yogg had already corrupted much of the systems, so why make sure the globes are accurate? This basically solves any future land masses popping up.

[anaxie]

There is alot of lor eplaces we never explored yet we are just on azeroth imagine what is in the other places in space

Outside of karesh every other location outside azeroth is irrelevant

Especcially legion worlds since every single commander.has been fked in the A by us already

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Blizzard isn't going to stop doing that. They're not going to purposefully limit themselves. Chronicle exists to clean up the lore, but there are gaps left in it so that Blizzard can fill them in later. The Titan souls is one example.

The games story is.coming to a conclusion. You will be lucky if the expansion after bfa doesnt finish off the void lords with an ethereal war

[hulkgor]

The next expansion marks the end of all islands, continents and landmasses recorded in Warcraft's pre-WoW lore. With expansions showing no signs of slowing down, it is inevitable that Blizzard will soon begin adding entirely original continents for the players to explore; lest we resort to intergalactic spacefaring adventures and planet hop from expansion to expansion (and let's be honest here... really? C'mon...).

While we DO have a few remaining areas to -potentially- serve as expansion-sized material, namely the Dragon Isles north of Quel'Thalas and east of Howling Fjord, plus some unseen nations surrounding Eastern Kingdoms such as Crestfall and Balor, the areas would have to be served with a soft retcon to explain the lack of size and given interesting material to make them worthy areas to visit. Which isn't bad, it's just a repeat of what they did with Broken Isles.

So while we're no doubt a few years from seeing what the next expansion has to offer, or potentially even half a decade from another Azeroth based expansion, Blizzard has already settled on the next expansions location and have started concept art on it already (which they've already confirmed to be in concept stage of the next expansion after the next expansion).

Where do you think we'll see new continents land, and are you alright with sudden, out-of-the-blue entire civilizations cropping up into the lore? Personally, I don't mind, though many are still of the opinion that Azeroth is complete.

So, like Pandaria? Yes, since that expansion (and continent) was awesome.

[anaxie]

Except when they do, like half of what Legion was? Like what all of Pandaria was? (Originally Pandaria was a small island believed to be west of Stonetalon) Thunder Isle? Deepholme? Stormheim?

They're fully able to turn Tel'Abim, or any small island or chain of islands into a continent if they felt like it, because its already happened 3 goddamn times. They can make up new continents on the spot, because they already have, and can do so again.

BTW, here is the map of Chronicle Vol. 1


Gee, I wonder where the hell the large, 3-zoned continent of Kul'Tiras is on this map?

You mean, that small island in Baradin Bay??

Problem. No more islands left hold the same relevamce as kultiras. Zandalar or broken isles

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An island moving without other noticeable geological changes, doesn't happen. That's like Block Rock Mountain moving to Westfall with nothing else being changed.

Yet thats what sharpened

[MikeBogina]

I don't think it's actually connected to the Maelstrom. It just happens that the boundary with the Elemental Plane is rather thin there so it was a good place for Deathwing to punch through. It's likely that gateway was closed after we fixed the pillar.

Having the Elemental Plane as Cataclysm's zones might have been better, or it might have been worse. We'll never know now.

As for the Maelstrom... scale. WoW is scaled so it looks good and makes for good gameplay, not for realistic sizes. For all it's worth, Azeroth shouldn't be able to hold an atmosphere with how small it is protrayed ingame.

I can accept that him shattering the pillar made point that randomly connected to the Maelstrom making a temporary portal, but not that he used to the Maelstrom to get there in the first place. There's also the weirdness that there's cultist there in the first place, which makes me think that was left over from the original plan of him being underground north of Stormwind.

The Elemental plane and the Maelstrom, it's one of those things where you either do it right or don't do it at all. And yeah I get the scaling, but when the Maelstrom is about the size a of a large boat and the Well of Eternity is just a pool in Azshara's palace, it's not scaling that's the problem.

[anaxie]

You say I'm wrong and then your reasoning only proves that what I said was correct. Wtf are you on about?
I never said it was a retcon. I said it was left out. It means that anything can still happen that's not outlined within the novel.

Just like any new continent.

There are no new continents. The story is reachingits conclusion. Did u even play legion. Are yoh paying attention to bfa

At the endnof bfa or the final bfa patch all thats left an Ethereal civil war and probably a confrontation with the Void Lord dimensius

Que WoWs credits. Story end

[Goldielocks]

It didn't? Yogg'Saron's corruption lasted 15,000 years. Everything I told you was 5000 years before the War of the Ancients and 10,000 after that war, Loken and YoggSaron were finally defeated.

It's more of a slow burn than simply being fucked from the start.

It was invented, but you confirm it by saying it was originally smaller. With the Globe, lets be honest, the guys who put that in there aren't the lore guys, even confirmed by Chris Metzen. But for a legit lore reason? It's simple, no one was in Ulduar to maintain the systems. Loken and Yogg had already corrupted much of the systems, so why make sure the globes are accurate? This basically solves any future land masses popping up.

There are tons of other islands on Azeroth that also don't show up on the globe. The Keepers didn't care about any of them? Seems kinda contrived.

Obviously the real reason is that Blizzard didn't double check the art when they released Ulduar, but even if they did, the small islands that would have appeared wouldn't be similar to the map we have today. My entire point was that Blizzard likes to alter things that exist and make new things up. For a company to limit themselves is pretty silly.

There are no new continents. The story is reachingits conclusion. Did u even play legion. Are yoh paying attention to bfa

I'm starting to get why you don't want new continents so badly.