Artifact Weapon Retirement - yes or no?

[NoahWeaver]

So this may be Old news to some, new news to others, it sure is not a spoiler at this point but many are upset about it.
They are going to be taking away or Artifact in the Next Expac. Yup, make you angry right (well I know not all of you).
In fact some of you who are ok with that probably hate me and want to insult me for my last post which I feel perfectly
expressed what a lot of WoW gamers are thinking & feeling about it right now, hey! But who cares what I think right
I'm just a worthless worm for having said what I said out of anger for Blizzard taking away something I and many others
worked & spent so hard on. Just a worthless worm for that so hey what do you all think about taking away the artifact:
Thanks if you are Voting. If you are not why and why do you or do you not hate Blizzard for doing this:

[Unholyground]

So this may be Old news to some, new news to other, it sure is not a spoiler at this point but many are upset about it.
They are going to be taking away or Artifact in the Next Expac. Yup, make you angry right (well I know not all of you).
In fact some of you who are ok with that probably hate me and want to insult me for my last post which I feel perfectly
expressed what a lot of WoW gamers are thinking & feeling about it right now, hey! But who cares what I think right
I'm just a worthless worm for having said what I said out of anger for Blizzard taking away something I and many others
worked & spent so hard on. Just a worthless worm for that so hey what do you all think about taking away the artifact:
Let me get specific:

Every legendary ever likes to say hi

[Super Kami Dende]

A resounding "Don't care" for me.

Gear and sets are retired every expansion. Anyone who thought the Artifacts would continue after Legion were a tad silly.

[huth]

So this may be Old news to some, new news to other, it sure is not a spoiler at this point but many are upset about it.
They are going to be taking away or Artifact in the Next Expac. Yup, make you angry right (well I know not all of you).
In fact some of you who are ok with that probably hate me and want to insult me for my last post which I feel perfectly
expressed what a lot of WoW gamers are thinking & feeling about it right now, hey! But who cares what I think right
I'm just a worthless worm for having said what I said out of anger for Blizzard taking away something I and many others
worked & spent so hard on. Just a worthless worm for that so hey what do you all think about taking away the artifact:
Let me get specific:

Where you actually going to say anything?

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

They won't be removed from your bag.. I recon they'll be unusable items that you can keep in your bags.
I don't mind.. I transmogged the Ashbringer as soon as I got it!

I never liked the idea of getting famous weapons...

[Gurluas]

It is likely too late to change but yes from the moment they mentioned this I've been deeply against it.

[Deleted]

The fuck is this thread??? Close this wast is database.

[Unholyground]

A resounding "Don't care" for me.

Gear and sets are retired every expansion. Anyone who thought the Artifacts would continue after Legion were a tad silly.

Honestly the Azerite gear is better anyways, I miss cool unique weapon effects like we had before Legion. I know each AW had their own abilities and what not but they played into the core of each spec and had to be finished to feel full as a spec.

[Vakir]

It's a matter of whether they properly carry over things in them that make certain specs play differently that are indispensable.

I know Azerite gear is replacing artifacts in part, but I am referring to things like "Frozen Orb makes Blizzard instant" or the various Balance Moon spells that massively speed up Astral Power generation - those things are going to hurt, a LOT, when missing, and making some of them talents is just frustrating.

Replacing gear is commonplace and totally understandable on that level. It's a matter of whether they completely break specs at 120 that feel so fluid right now. If they replace them with entirely new alterations to the fundamental gameplay for 36 different specs, they absolutely need to make all of them feel equally as intuitive or more as some of those traits if they don't make them baseline.

[Ielenia]

So this may be Old news to some, new news to others, it sure is not a spoiler at this point but many are upset about it.
They are going to be taking away or Artifact in the Next Expac. Yup, make you angry right (well I know not all of you).
In fact some of you who are ok with that probably hate me and want to insult me for my last post which I feel perfectly
expressed what a lot of WoW gamers are thinking & feeling about it right now, hey! But who cares what I think right
I'm just a worthless worm for having said what I said out of anger for Blizzard taking away something I and many others
worked & spent so hard on. Just a worthless worm for that so hey what do you all think about taking away the artifact:
Thanks if you are Voting. If you are not why and why do you or do you not hate Blizzard for doing this:

First, a nitpick: learn to not "over-format" your posts. No need to press the "enter" key every time you reach the end of the typing box if your paragraph isn't ending there.

Now, a clarification: as far as I can tell, Blizzard is not "taking away" artifacts. They just won't be used in the next expansion, and will, just like what you did with gear on previous expansions, you'll either sell it, destroy it, or keep it in your bank. They're not "removing" it, they're just not continuing the artifact weapons for BfA. You'll still have your artifact weapon that you'll be able to use on Timewalking dungeons.

Lastly, a reminder: learn to not "over-format" your posts. No need to press the "enter" key every time you reach the end of the typing box if your paragraph isn't ending there.

EDIT: also, if the "artifact weapon" feature remained for BfA, there are several issues with that. Some of them being: if the current artifact weapons continued, how to expand on their functionality? All the traits would be already unlocked, and you'd take several months to get a single new artifact level. Add more traits? That would cause inevitable bloat. No, artifact weapons should be "retired".

[Katchii]

So this may be Old news to some, new news to others, it sure is not a spoiler at this point but many are upset about it.
They are going to be taking away or Artifact in the Next Expac. Yup, make you angry right (well I know not all of you).
In fact some of you who are ok with that probably hate me and want to insult me for my last post which I feel perfectly
expressed what a lot of WoW gamers are thinking & feeling about it right now, hey! But who cares what I think right
I'm just a worthless worm for having said what I said out of anger for Blizzard taking away something I and many others
worked & spent so hard on. Just a worthless worm for that so hey what do you all think about taking away the artifact:
Thanks if you are Voting. If you are not why and why do you or do you not hate Blizzard for doing this:

This literally happens to every weapon in the game, just without all the pomp and circumstance for the send off. This is nothing new and was inevitable.

[NoahWeaver]

A resounding "Don't care" for me.

Gear and sets are retired every expansion. Anyone who thought the Artifacts would continue after Legion were a tad silly.

Every expansion did not come what a weapon that had a game progression in a piece of gear that was equal to the game progress
of the Character itself. So that is nonsense. Some of the Blizzard community is behaving very badly about this and passing of everyones
personal achievement as something to be ruined because oph it's ok if Blizzard behaves tyrannical they are richer than everybody else...
it's ok... move on with life grouchy! & you wonder why revolutions happen? o.O

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This literally happens to every weapon in the game, just without all the pomp and circumstance for the send off. This is nothing new and was inevitable.

Please see my comment to Meat Rubbing Specialist.

[huth]

Now, a clarification: as far as I can tell, Blizzard is not "taking away" artifacts. They just won't be used in the next expansion, and will, just like what you did with gear on previous expansions, you'll either sell it, destroy it, or keep it in your bank. They're not "removing" it, they're just not continuing the artifact weapons for BfA. You'll still have your artifact weapon that you'll be able to use on Timewalking dungeons.

EDIT: also, if the "artifact weapon" feature remained for BfA, there are several issues with that. Some of them being: if the current artifact weapons continued, how to expand on their functionality? All the traits would be already unlocked, and you'd take several months to get a single new artifact level. Add more traits? That would cause inevitable bloat. No, artifact weapons should be "retired".

They will at least have to disable the traits once you start BfA. As they are now, Artifacts are far to powerful to drop them over just a few iLvls.

[Vakir]

Every expansion did not come what a weapon that had a game progression in a piece of gear that was equal to the game progress
of the Character itself. So that is nonsense. Some of the Blizzard community is behaving very badly about this and passing of everyones
personal achievement as something to be ruined because oph it's ok if Blizzard behaves tyrannical they are richer than everybody else...
it's ok... move on with life grouchy! & you wonder why revolutions happen? o.O

It's probably shitty to ask for everyone's opinion in a thread and then immediately shit all over anyone who has something that contradicts your opinion.

Our artifacts as a result of being played with for almost 2 years have become distended and awkward, especially with the introduction of the Netherlight Forge. Continuously updating them, especially with new trait tiers for BfA and its individual new tiers, would be a nightmare. We'd be getting into the quadrillions and quintillions and above of AP and absurdly high AK to even have that kind of catchup.

But even besides that, J Allen Brack flat out referred to each individual expansion as akin to a module/campaign in D&D. I can work my ass off and get my Barbarian to 12th level and do a really epic quest with him to save the giants, but that doesn't make my 1st level Bard in Strahd "invalidate" my experiences. It is a separate campaign. Character progression, especially the level rotation, died around the time that we were 5-6 expansions in, because if character progression was strict at every tier, it would be impossible to catch up. Artifact weapons were designed around Legion, not around BfA.

Again, for me it's all about if intuitive changes to the core rotation and gameplay of specializations don't suddenly get trounced all over and they feel fluid and engaging.

Gameplay is more important than this weird, arcane, fake conceptualization of reward for "hard work" being invalidated...when the artifact weapon was already its own reward for almost 2 years. You already got to use it.

[Ielenia]

Every expansion did not come what a weapon that had a game progression in a piece of gear that was equal to the game progress
of the Character itself. So that is nonsense.

It's not "nonsense". The exact same argument could be said about, for example, legendaries such as MoP's legendary cloak, and WoD's legendary ring. All items that were tied to character progression, as you progressed through the content you improved the item. And they're now just sitting in the bank, collecting dust.

Some of the Blizzard community is behaving very badly about this and passing of everyones
personal achievement as something to be ruined because oph it's ok if Blizzard behaves tyrannical they are richer than everybody else...

Nothing is being ruined. Blizzard is not being tyrannical. It's their game, they do what they want. We can offer feedback, but we don't get to decide the way the game should be developed.

it's ok... move on with life grouchy! & you wonder why revolutions happen? o.O

Do you know why revolutions happen? They happen because things stay the same for too long and people want new things.

And a reminder: learn to not "over-format" your posts. No need to press the "enter" key every time you reach the end of the typing box if your paragraph isn't ending there.

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They will at least have to disable the traits once you start BfA. As they are now, Artifacts are far to powerful to drop them over just a few iLvls.

Why? Every single expansion, my main characters only started replacing the gear I got from raiding in the previous expansion on the second half of the leveling process, sometimes almost reaching max level with still some of the gear from the previous expansion.

[Tyron]

Yes, artifacts were a nice experiment (despite AP farming during the first two patches), but they need to go along with the awful relic system, I'd like to change my weapons again and receive weapon drops same as in other RPGs.

[Goretex]

I like the whole idea of artifacts, I wish they weren't going away, and blizz would just build on what artifacts are currently.

[Katchii]

Every expansion did not come what a weapon that had a game progression in a piece of gear that was equal to the game progress
of the Character itself. So that is nonsense. Some of the Blizzard community is behaving very badly about this and passing of everyones
personal achievement as something to be ruined because oph it's ok if Blizzard behaves tyrannical they are richer than everybody else...
it's ok... move on with life grouchy! & you wonder why revolutions happen? o.O

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Please see my comment to Meat Rubbing Specialist.

It's still just a weapon. Regardless of everything else and all the work you've put into it and the story about it, etc... the end result is the same.

What were you expecting? To hold onto and use this weapon from now until forever making any other weapon obsolete?

I think you're conflating your personal investment with game mechanics. And honestly, previous legendaries like Shadowmourne that required a LOT of time and money invested have just as much if not more value to the people who earned it than these Artifact weapons that were literally handed to us through a 10-20 minute quest that was required to be completed.

This is a perfect segue into one of those super cheesy Let Go commercials.

[Ophenia]

That's a bit more sad than the usual loots you replaced by random green because we actually worked toward this quite hard (quests, achievements, skins, AP, relics, crucible etc), but that's like that every time.

This mechanic slightly reduced the randomness of weapons drop (some classes were heavily reliant on Raid weapon drops, if it never dropped, they'd be fucked forever). This ever-improving weapon system such as in Blade & Soul could've been actually interesting.

I won't get that sad though. I miss having a staff on my back.

[digichi]

Not gonna lie, artefacts were such hype when they were announced (and its kinda nice to not have to upgrade weps or worry about offhands and stuff all the time), but it wouldn't be much fun if they were around FOREVER ^^