" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
That is a classic red herring. Yes, of course societies also have to make a choice between using motor vehicles and not having anyone die in traffic accidents. But it's a totally different value proposition. I expect that in a world without private cars and trucks, the world we live in would be a very different place, a place in which human mortality rates would likely be a lot higher. I just can't see the value proposition of a society in which every civilian has the right to own a firearm. What purpose does it serve exactly?
I would consider a 12 year old an adolescent, not a child, for purposes of this discussion.
You can legally hold a hunting license at 12 in many states. In Connecticut, a 12 year old used to be able to legally own a long gun for hunting. I know this, because I did, back in 1999.
You mean not open to your rhetoric. A AR-15 is no more deadly than a SKS.( the SKS actually uses a more powerful round ) Which has none of the scary features as the so called by the ill-informed assault rifle has. The term was first used rightfully so for the German STG-44 during the review of it during WW2. Which was a select fire military rifle from semi-auto to full automatic fire, which the AR-15 does not have. :P
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
Is there an argument here or are you just regurgitating standard pro-gun arguments? Never have I said that an SKS is better to have without a licence. I mentioned the AR-15 because that's a standard ridiculous "home protection" gun, and that's it. Did that specific word trigger a specific response or something?
When society places a high value on the right to bear arms, it has to accept that it is a statistical inevitability that some of those guns are going to land up in the hands of "moronic, irresponsible parents".
Also, I would point out that many "moronic, irresponsible parents" probably preach the same tune about how it is other people who the irresponsible ones. Until it happens to them. All human beings make mistakes. Sure some of us make less than others, but none of is infallible. But when you have guns in the mix, the potential consequences of the mistakes are amplified.
True, but irrelevant.
1) Even responsible people can make errors.
2) When you have a societal principle of "the right to bear arms", that includes all the "irresponsible sacks of shit" (largely because knowing the difference between a responsible and irresponsible would-be gun owner is often not immediately apparent)
Title is misleading. I was expecting to see that a murder was committed using an actual video game console, seeing as how it's named video console death...
Last edited by Hilhen7; 2018-03-19 at 03:06 PM.
I agree. Was just pointing out where touching a firearm by child might be ok. Depends on the child and their level of maturity and the parent. A 10 year old might be perfectly fine with a adult supervision shooting a .22 rifle. Not to hunt with exactly, but to let them get use to a firearm.
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
Moronic fucking parents who don't consider the consequences of leaving around deadly weapons strikes once again. Thanks, America! /s
LEARN TO LOCK UP YOUR GOD DAMN WEAPONS, PEOPLE.
Now that we've cleared this up, will you go back and actually respond? I've heard these AR-15 vs (insert hunting rifle here) arguments many years ago on some news report somewhere. Is this really how far the gun debate has come in America? Nowhere? Don't you get tired of regurgitating that argument?
"My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility
Prediction for the future
I am responding. Lol. Not agreeing with you does not mean someone is not responding. I need to go to town for some shopping. If you wish to continue this debate, I will be more than willing to do it in the Gun Control thread. Which is where most of the discussion on this should be. :P
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams