Can there even be a functional Horde post-BFA?

[Nightwatch]

I mean, how can it be?

With more and more atrocities by the Horde on Sylvanas order being revealed, all going for her "Sod honor, get results" methods and us players who has time and again proven ourselves as champions of the Horde now find ourselves leashed by the Warchief's boyfriend Nathanos.

As for the speculations on how long Sylvanas actions will continue to go unpunished is probably just a question of time but say the scenario comes when she is de-throned, either in (yet another) Horde rebellion, or a forceful Alliance strike, who will then be left to pick up the mantle?

Will the Horde even be able to have another Warchief, seeing how disappointing the last three ones have been?

I am looking forward to BFA for the War Campaigns, new territories, new races and new gear.

But my faith and favoritism of the Horde has really sunk and just keeps sinking, much to the point of one wondering if the Horde should even be allowed to survive this, seeing there is no real way of reparing all the damage done by now.

[thilicen]

They could always turn to the one man who might just get them back on track, Green Jesus. That is if he's done bitching about pretty much everything.

[khazmodan]

The horde will endure...as long as it is profitable for Blizzard.

[Deleted]

Well given ever Horde loss so far has resulted in massive territorial gains and coming out better than before. The question should be: "Will there even be an Alliance left after their victory in BFA?".

[etheldald]

leaked 10.4 ending cinematic.

hogger:look at them, they are already plotting against us.
-seize the moment,anduin dismantle the horde.
-Anduin:GUARDS!
-wrathlion: anduin what are you doing?!
-A:my duty as a king
-I DEMAND TO SPEAK WITH YOUR WARCHIEF!
-Gallywix:I respond for the horde
-A:Very well.
-The horde had commited terrible crimes, Gallywix, but yet, there were some among you that helped to stop this madness.
-for that, i am willing to stop the bloodshed.
-but know this, if your horde forgets the meaning of honor like garrosh,sylvanas,baine,lord'themar,nathanos,saurfang,thrall,aggra and gamon.
WE WILL END U.

[Broken Fox]

They’re changing all Horde races to the undead version for the next expansion

[Haven]

There has to be a faction that doesn't wholly consist of hypocritical paladins, a faction of getting shit done and not pretending it's for the sake of Greater Good.

[A Chozo]

We don't even know the whole history, dude.

The fanatical playerbase is judging a book by it's (horrible, horrible) cover. If it turns out that that the whole storyline is shit, wonderful - just stop buying WoW expansions, but do not make it look like there's no way to fix this mess.

It's like saying that Pandaria's arc could never be as good as it is just because Burning Crusade's storyline was shitty.

[sillag]

no but its not gonna stop blizzard from pretending it is

theres 2 possible endings here.

number 1 is the least likely but blizzard might do it because heck they are doing a ton of crazy stuff. anduin makes good on daddy's promise to end the horde if they turn evil again. the horde is ended and we're all neutral for the next expansion until they bring the horde back because everyone unsubbed

number 2 is that we all realize we had to work together to stop the old gods and that really all those civilians that sylvanas killed can be forgiven because in the end there were some horde npcs fighting the faceless next to the alliance npcs. we need eachother. these acts of meaningless genocide make us stronger you see.

you can probably think of some other better endings but its naive to think blizzard will aim any higher than the lowest possible in this garbage expansion

[Nomads]

Maybe... they are setting up for a 3rd, undead only faction. Something with san'layn, undead orcs, and all that....

[ls-]

Yes, if it's subjugated by the Alliance under the rule of God Emperor Anduin Wrynn. The Alliance wins in the end anyway, so why bother resisting? #sarcasmnotsarcasm

There's a major problem w/ the Forsaken and who they are as a faction/race, they're the only playable race that is unsympathetic and doesn't care about morals, honour and valour, they just try to get things done. This way of doing things goes against views of literally all other playable races on both sides, so Blizz can't really do anything good w/ or about them at this point.

It's better for Blizz to treat the Forsaken the same way they treat Gnomes and quite often Nevles, Blizz should just pretend that they don't exist, not use them in anything major, let them do their own thing in irrelevant sidequests.

And redemption arc for them is just nonsense. Just imagine Nathanos, Voss and Sylvanas blabbering about honour akin to Saurfang or Anduin

At best the Forsaken could be used as a counterweight for SI:7 and Mathias Shaw, who also says that he DGAF about honour and other pretty stuff, he only cares about getting the job done.

Maybe... they are setting up for a 3rd, undead only faction. Something with san'layn, undead orcs, and all that....

2 faction system is flawed, but 3 faction system is just garbage, many games tried to use it in the past, but failed miserably.

[bloodmoth13]

We don't even know the whole history, dude.

The fanatical playerbase is judging a book by it's (horrible, horrible) cover. If it turns out that that the whole storyline is shit, wonderful - just stop buying WoW expansions, but do not make it look like there's no way to fix this mess.

It's like saying that Pandaria's arch could never be as good as it is just because Burning Crusade's storyline was shitty.

Never thought about that... pandaria was a shitty looking expansion with a decent story while burning crusade was an amazing looking expansion which took a steaming shit all over the lore.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Sylvanas will step down, one way or another, Saurfang takes over like Voljin did after Garrosh, because completely shattering the Horde would be too difficult or something like that. Everything is back to zero and we will get the next actual expansion with core plot before we repeat that shit again and experience the the fall or Lorthemar Theronor Gallywix.

[alabaster jones]

There's a major problem w/ the Forsaken and who they are as a faction/race, they're the only playable race that is unsympathetic and doesn't care about morals, honour and valour, they just try to get things done. This way of doing things goes against views of literally all other playable races on both sides, so Blizz can't really do anything good w/ or about them at this point.

I remember being so surprised that the undead were a playable race when WoW launched, and more so in all the quest text and lore talking about how this was only a temporary thing, and that their (forsaken's) ultimate goal was to develop a new plague to wipe out all life on Azeroth. They dealt with the sore thumb of 'this faction wants to kill everybody else' a little with grand apothecary Putress in wotlk, but that was merely a setback.

[Destinas]

They did it before with Garrosh, but it wasn't smooth. All the playable Horde characters and their leaders simply abandoned Garrosh, leaving a bunch of orcs and goblins with him. The remaining members of his armies were (mostly) wiped out in WoD, even when he got more. Now, those very same clans that Garrosh had beat us are going to be our new Horde allies in BfA. It was all just pinned on Garrosh in the end, even when others had the same/similar ideals as him (like AU Grom and Nazgrim, who is now undead because he was so honorable in their eyes).

I'm not entirely comparing Sylvanas and Garrosh here, but the base comparison I'm making is that they are, at the least, more aggressive and polarizing in the role of Warchief than Thrall and Vol'jin ever were shown to be. Both have fans and critics that argue on end whether those two characters are evil, an anti-hero, or simply misunderstood - being compared to each other often because of this. That's something we can all agree on, I think. That said, BfA is showing us that, at least in the story, the Horde is mostly united now, even under Sylvanas' more aggressive rule. BfA has all Horde races working together, even the new additions of Nightborne, Highmountains, Mag'har, and Zandalari are becoming integral to the New-New-New Horde.

If they decide that they want Sylvanas to go the route of Garrosh, and become a bad guy for both factions, they'll just use the same plot armor they've already used. It'll all be pinned on Sylvanas and her closest allies (...Nathanos, really), while the rest of the Horde (the players) were the "good ones" in Sylvanas' forces all along.

If they decide to keep Sylvanas as the Warchief (therefore keeping her fate different from Garrosh's) then Blizzard will either have to:
1.) Keep her aggressive, making the Horde as a whole more aggressive as the glue that holds them together.
2.) Give her a reason to be less aggressive so the Horde can stay less aggressive - like some sort of "redemption" arc.

In the end, though, we only know snippets of how BfA starts - we have no concrete evidence of where it'll take us afterward. Anything could happen between then and now.

[Hyral]

There's a major problem w/ the Forsaken and who they are as a faction/race, they're the only playable race that is unsympathetic and doesn't care about morals, honour and valour, they just try to get things done. This way of doing things goes against views of literally all other playable races on both sides, so Blizz can't really do anything good w/ or about them at this point.

This is a symptom of the sickness that is sylvanas. Over the course of the game we have seen undead are perfectly capable of compassionate and rational thought, and to strive to be better and find a place in the world. It is the forsaken faction that is constantly dragged through the mud by sylvanas, them sheepishly following her every whim due to their perceived debt. Sure sylvanas wrest them away from the Lich King's control but when does it stop being a gratitude and becomes enslavement? The forsaken need to be rid of sylvanas for them to grow as a faction that can live up to the ideals of the horde.

[crusadernero]

Well there will always be need for workers in the mines.

[Aggrophobic]

I mean, how can it be?

With more and more atrocities by the Horde on Sylvanas order being revealed, all going for her "Sod honor, get results" methods and us players who has time and again proven ourselves as champions of the Horde now find ourselves leashed by the Warchief's boyfriend Nathanos.

As for the speculations on how long Sylvanas actions will continue to go unpunished is probably just a question of time but say the scenario comes when she is de-throned, either in (yet another) Horde rebellion, or a forceful Alliance strike, who will then be left to pick up the mantle?

Will the Horde even be able to have another Warchief, seeing how disappointing the last three ones have been?

I am looking forward to BFA for the War Campaigns, new territories, new races and new gear.

But my faith and favoritism of the Horde has really sunk and just keeps sinking, much to the point of one wondering if the Horde should even be allowed to survive this, seeing there is no real way of reparing all the damage done by now.

Why not? She doing a great thing by cleaning up the human and elven filth. With any luck the alliance will perish and we can finaly have peace.

[Deleted]

Realisticly we can be sure of one thing:

The Horde will not win.
From a gameplay perspective the faction with the goal to kill off everyone and destroy anything cannot win.
So that leaves again the Alliance as victorious. However, from a gameplay perspective the Alliance cannot wipe out the Horde either. So we need someone who is so peace loving that is able to forgive a faction even genocide. And here comes Anduin.

He is the Alliance leader for a reason. Blizz needs someone there that can somewhat logically explain why after Sylvanas the Horde is allowed to continue, even though his Father threatened to end them.

So we will probably see some kind of SoO2 ending.

What I however think is, that after a second time Blizz is stuck with having both factions at peace. Otherwise it would be no longer possible to tell the story.

[Gaidax]

There has to be a faction that doesn't wholly consist of hypocritical paladins, a faction of getting shit done and not pretending it's for the sake of Greater Good.

Says the guy who used to chill on Draenei ship on Argus while a bunch of Draenei, Night Elf, Human and Dwarf dealt with Sargeras.

The faction of getting done shit... lul.