The elephant in the room: Prostitution

[Acelius]

As long as the prostitutes work under good conditions, I don't have an issue with it.

[Speaknoevil]

Prostitution = Increased rates of sex slavery / Coercion

[Coolthulhu]

Prostitution is already legal where I live so long as the prostitute doesn't have a pimp, and even though it doesn't affect me personally I think it's better this way. People should be able to do whatever with their body so long as they aren't used by third parties, and prohibitionism doesn't work anyway. Sure, it has some disadvantages. A friend of mine lives in a street that's always packed with whores, and they often get drunk and sing in the night, disturbing everyone's sleep. But that has nothing to do with prostitution being legal per se, youngster club-goers are even more bothersome and contrary to the prostitues they often get violent, too.

[Deleted]

You already arrest and charge about 29,000 people per day in your country. In the 90s, that was over 40,000 per day.

IN the entire country in about the same number of separate incidents.

Never in the same location and all related to 1 incident. Such a thing would overwhelm local authorities and make it impossible to enforce.

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Prostitution = Increased rates of sex slavery / Coercion

Yeah, no... Collective punishment doesn't work.

Make a distinction between coercive johns and pimps and non-coercive ones.

Might as well ban construction then. Plenty of slaves there too.

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It should be legal, but reguleret in a matter where the said person has some kind of "authorisation", to prevent trafficking.
The amount of trafficking accuring is actually insane, so many young girls are being forced because they have no other choice.

I don't agree with that.

"Authorization" means asking the government permission to enter a profession.

Now if you build a large establishment where many people come and go, sure, I guess. There might need to be some safety standards for fires etc. But that's true for any business.

But some chick putting up a Craiglist ad and working in her apartment shouldn't need permission the same as dating shouldn't require government permission. The only thing the government should do is expect her taxes to be paid, but it has no right to tell her how to make that money.

[Elba]

Prostitution = Increased rates of sex slavery / Coercion

No. Ask actually sex workers. Criminalisation of sex work gets sex workers killed. Sex work should be legal and transparent so sex workers can protect themselves.

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I don't see any good reason to make a move to descend towards degeneracy.

You think people should not have the right to do with their body and conduct business the way they want? Why are you against personal freedom?

[Deleted]

Well, here in Nevada we have legal prostitution. I think it was illegal here for like a few years back in the 30's but for other than that it's been legal.

Turns out women don't want people to know they're prostitutes so they are likely to refuse to participate in the legal system and go illegal. The legal system does record your name and records that you are an "entertainer" but everyone will know you're a hoe. Also legal prostitutes get taxed but illegal ones don't.

So now we have a bureaucracy for prostitutes, state officials hired to regulate hookers at tax payer expense. So we spend all that money on it.

And it didn't get rid of illegal prostitution and all it's social ills. So as far as the tax payers are concerned legalization is a net loss.

The only people it helped are the women that don't mind everyone knowing they are hoes, they get a safe well regulated place to work.

The problem is it's so absurdly excessively regulated that it might as well be illegal for most women.

The shortage created also raises costs, so a lot of men probably just use illegal hookers since it's cheaper and doesn't require traveling a long way.

I don't see any good reason to make a move to descend towards degeneracy.

We're already there.

Google "incel forum". It's a toxic community that needs to be broken up.

Recently one was involved in a mass killing.

That is FAR more degenerate than paying for sex.

And don't get me started on the pathological paraphilias that can develop as a result of some men not having a sexual outlet. Ever wonder why there are so many Catholic pedo priests? You will quite literally screw up your brain if you don't do what nature intended you to do.

[Sunseeker]

I think it should be legal. But I also think it should be extremely regulated to avoid sex trafficking, pimping out young women, and spreading STDs.

But on the same token, I think it's a fairly low priority.

[Elba]

It's legal in Sweden.
However, buying the services is not.

I think it's a good compromise. Gives the prostitutes more power.

Trafficking is not legal though, and shouldn't be.

No it's not a good compromise. Punishing the Johns drives it underground as well. That's not in the interest of actual sex workers.

[Queen of Hamsters]

It should become legal, under restriction that it becomes regulated. No more crack-whores selling themselves for 5 dollars on a corner.

Legalize selling, legalize buying, as long as it's done through proper channels.

[Freighter]

You think people should not have the right to do with their body and conduct business the way they want? Why are you against personal freedom?

Why do you think personal freedom is a good argument to allow such behavior?

[Deleted]

I think it should be legal. But I also think it should be extremely regulated to avoid sex trafficking, pimping out young women, and spreading STDs.

But on the same token, I think it's a fairly low priority.

Excessive regulation will only lead to a primarily black market prostitution. This is the case with Nevada.

Do you really think most women would work legally if:

1. the permits are nearly impossible to get
2. you get taxed the crap out of?
3. you cannot work anywhere you want to

Do you think any john will use legal prostitutes when the cost will probably be double or triple just to cover the permit/tax costs the prostitute has to deal with?

We have to be realistic economically. Reasonable regulations okay, but don't discriminate the prostitution industry.

[Elba]

Why do you think personal freedom is a good argument to allow such behavior?

Yes? How isn't it? You want to restrict people's freedom over something that does not affect you.

And as @bungeebungee said, prostitution is going to happen anyway. Better to allow sex workers to do it on their own terms so they can be save.

[Sunseeker]

Excessive regulation will only lead to a primarily black market prostitution. This is the case with Nevada.

Do you really think most women would work legally if:

1. the permits are nearly impossible to get
2. you get taxed the crap out of?
3. you cannot work anywhere you want to

Do you think any john will use legal prostitutes when the cost will probably be double or triple just to cover the permit/tax costs the prostitute has to deal with?

Yes, because the benefit is you won't go to jail and you won't risk STDs and so on and so forth. It's the same reason the legal marijuana business is going crazy. Even with the same or potentially higher costs, the "You wont go to jail if you follow these rules while you smoke weed." is a pretty huge incentive to do it legally.

If you're looking for a quick shag on the cheap, just go to a bar.

[ranzino]

Why do you think personal freedom is a good argument to allow such behavior?

because it is already legal, if done without money. or just without money, but other "benefits" given.

[Fat Mac]

huge wage gap in prostitution

[Freighter]

Yes? How isn't it? You want to restrict people's freedom over something that does not affect you.

How is Yes a response to why?

And as @bungeebungee said, prostitution is going to happen anyway. Better to allow sex workers to do it on their own terms so they can be save.

Other crimes happens anyway, should we make them legal because they'll happen anyway?

[Deleted]

Yes, because the benefit is you won't go to jail and you won't risk STDs and so on and so forth. It's the same reason the legal marijuana business is going crazy. Even with the same or potentially higher costs, the "You wont go to jail if you follow these rules while you smoke weed." is a pretty huge incentive to do it legally.

If you're looking for a quick shag on the cheap, just go to a bar.

The evidence shows otherwise.

Nevada has plenty of black market prostitution. In fact it completely eclipses the legal one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosti...l_prostitution

What you're forgetting is that some people don't earn enough to realistically afford legal prostitutes. They cost more and you need to travel a long way to find a legal brothel.

We're going to need a solution that's much closer to a free market model.

I think keep organized brothels regulated (not excessively, just the same as a bar) and independent escorts (women doing their thing on their own in their house) largely unregulated beyond requiring them to pay taxes and not scam their clients, maybe require them to provide medical checkups no older than 3 months.

[Sunseeker]

The evidence shows otherwise.

Nevada has plenty of black market prostitution. In fact it completely eclipses the legal one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosti...l_prostitution

What you're forgetting is that some people don't earn enough to realistically afford legal prostitutes. They cost more and you need to travel a long way to find a legal brothel.

So what? I don't make enough money to buy a fancy house in California, doesn't mean California needs to lower their regulations to make houses cheaper for me.

[Deleted]

So what? I don't make enough money to buy a fancy house in California, doesn't mean California needs to lower their regulations to make houses cheaper for me.

Actually it kinda does, but it depends what regulations we're talking about.

If you're building something that's several stories high, that can fall on people. So requiring structurally sound construction, I'm okay with that.

If you're building a hut, who cares? The only thing government should be concerned about is the initiation of force or fraud.

The government has no right for example to tell you:

- what your house must look like (if you want to build a clown looking house go for it, if that upsets the neighbors that's their problem)
- how big or small it should be (provided it's structurally safe)

[ranzino]

So what? I don't make enough money to buy a fancy house in California, doesn't mean California needs to lower their regulations to make houses cheaper for me.

same as more or less fancy houses there will be always a gap between "sex behind the bus terminal" and "escort in 5*hotel".
but if you cannot afford the first, the girls should never be forced to do for next to nothing.