World needs more Goblin Warriors https://i.imgur.com/WKs8aJA.jpg
Some people really like flavor. Occasionally subsisting on nutrient paste just doesn't feel the same as eating a steak. I get that flavor isn't for everyone, but I doubt removing all cosmetic indicators from the game would be appealing either. Nobody want to log in, queue to fight modestly sized blue checked box boss #7, initiate combat using an attack sequence of abilities 1-7 with a 13 beat repeat coda intermittently, and collect item level 630 slot 7 gear either.
To be fair, the last time humans helped night elves, they got mana bombed for it /looks at Theramore.... I’d be reluctant too after that. Jokes aside, they got outplayed by the Horde YET AGAIN. While the alliance converged on silithis, Sylvanas just swept through a nearly undefended night elf territory. Blizzard really like writing the alliance as complete idiots. Only good thing I can see coming of this is once Jaina settles her issues in Kul tiras, maybe her, Tyrande and Gen can call for a vote and depose Anduin from leader of the alliance (not from king of Stormwind of course). Jaina can be the high queen (still hate that title so much) since she fits two criterias that are dear to blizzards heart currently... she’s human and she’s a woman. Then we can have a real war between the factions. I’m all for war but right now it only seems more like my faction is punching the retarded kid and taking his lunch money.
Originally Posted by Ruargh
Some people really like flavor. Occasionally subsisting on nutrient paste just doesn't feel the same as eating a steak. I get that flavor isn't for everyone, but I doubt removing all cosmetic indicators from the game would be appealing either. Nobody want to log in, queue to fight modestly sized blue checked box boss #7, initiate combat using an attack sequence of abilities 1-7 with a 13 beat repeat coda intermittently, and collect item level 630 slot 7 gear either.
They probably won't represent it ingame, but I like to imagine some scenario where a detachment of horde march into Darkshore or someplace and pass by a large warning sign with glowing letters in Draenic and Orcish that there must not be aggressors beyond a certain point.
Then a respectable distance past that sign, the Vindicaars lasers enforce that rule and make a few craters.
Canonically, I don't think Sylvanas would really know about the capabilities of that machine, and it would also make sense for Velen to want to protect not only his lands but also refugees from further violence. He just got done fighting the Legion; he may not be willing to worry about the Horde encroaching on their land after this.
This would make something lore friendly, cool, and explain the gameplay constraints of them not wanting to involve that area (unless they change their minds).
I still don't get why many still say that the NEs should have fled to Exodar or whether going to Stormwind makes sense.
In all honesty, the story is just horrible, nothing we try to make sense of would work.
It is canon that the Night Elves were able to retain Northern Kalimdor against the Horde. Even a 'surprise attack' against Astranaar is just rubbish storytelling at this point. We should keep in mind that when the NEs first fought the Orcs, they were very near Durotar, which is quite a bit distant from most Kaldorei settlements. After the events in Wolfheart, only Azshara still had some Horde in it. The lumber camps in Ashenvale were no more.
I've loved the Wood Elves from Warhammer Fantasy for a very long time. The Night Elves were heavily inspired, if not outright copied, from that. But that was WC3 and even early Vanilla. After that, if you want Kaldorei lore, you check the books or the nicer zones in Legion. Everything else can go die in a fire, really.
It's sad to admit it, but Blizzard's awful writing will continue to trample anything for the sake of dev's saying D'YALL KNOW WHAT'D BE AWESOME? and say if you don't like this and that, you can play Horde. Because they are that edgy. We should just let it go, really. Lore has been going downhill from early WotLK and on. Though I mourn Warcraft's lore's passing, I believe I've come to terms with it. Well, mostly. I'm still writing bitter comments here. haha
I don't think I get what you mean here. Are you saying that it's canon that, even by BfA, the NE still were able to retain NK against the Horde? Or are you saying that the NE's defeat at the begin of BfA doesn't make sense as they were able to hold the Horde back before? Because the attack on the NE in BfA, and the one during Wolfheart, aren't quite similar to each other. The bulk of the NE army wasn't even there when the attack started in BfA / BtS.
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What I suspect is going to happen is that everyone will find themselves starting off at the emissaries on Stormwind and Orgrimmar. As it is, Teldrassil is getting burned down, and seriously, the only reason the Draenei stayed with the Exodar was because of O'ros, and he's dead, not to mention, they have an interdimensional spacecraft orbiting Azeroth, Gilneas has never been a capital City, just a starting zone, so what's left? Ironforge. So... two cities and a Spaceship. A look at the Horde shows Lordaeron being sacked, Goblins living in the slums of Orgrimmar, Thunder Bluff and Silvermoon City.
In time, I think there won't be starting cities. You'll become a recruit into the Alliance or Horde, starting at level 20, and go from that point.
"The fatal flaw of every plan, no matter how well planned, is the assumption that you know more than your enemy."
I guess it all has to end somewhere
From what I've seen the Shandris Feathermoon bits about Human Potential happen much later on. During Alliance War Campaign questing in either Vol'dun or Nazmir (I forget which right now), when she faces off against a Dark Ranger, and later when facing off against a Blood Prince.
I think we can safely assume the Night elves got plot-hammered (They should be able to defend Ashenvale, or they would have been wiped out long ago), after the Cataclysm invasion demonstrating how vulnerable Ashenvale can be, they would have to be phenomenally stupid to shift most of their army away from Ashenvale (Because you never know when the Horde will stick yet another dagger in your back), then the Horde's uber-rogues taking out most of what defenders were left, and now what remains of Night elf civilization is farming pumpkins near SW, all to push that lame faction war plot again...
So Blizz used crappy writing to push the rehash of a crappy storyline, how appropriate.