Dating is more toxic and depowering than WoW

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Do you reckon this difference is a product of society, or is a hardwired difference between men and women?

Girls/women always had a head start in their development. Remember high school, where the boys were still kids and the girls already dressed "sexy" and started using make up and having a crush on the older boys? That seems to be a thing of all times, not just today.

Still wasnt a problem back in the day, because boys would eventually catch up. They had to, they had nothing else.
Nowadays, boys are stuck alone in their bedroom playing games, while women are out there socialising. This creates an enormous rift.

Living a solitaire lifestyle with little to no interaction with women also created the fear that many young men have towards women and their opinion about them. It goes so much deeper now than simple fear of rejection; women are almost completely alien to many men and they have no idea ow to interact with them.

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Real life more complicated than a video game

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[Strawberry]

It would seem like you don't understand what he posted.

Thank you.

[Mormolyce]

Nearly all women I have met who have a fascination with changing their hair colour every few months have been mentally unstable.
Not sure what it has to do with limited life experiences though.

Sounds like a conclusion one might reach if one had limited life experiences.

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There seems to be a lot of general man hate in your life, maybe even a little penis envy. It's very strange.

I don't hate men, I'm just realistic about how good most of them are as boyfriends.

I'm certainly a pretty lousy one

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Or, no normal male wants to hear some screeching harpy go on about how men are the problem with the world. It could possibly be that.

And you think hair colour has something to do with that?

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Especially for someone with a purple haired avatar...

I was going to say that, but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a hood?

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According to Twitter feminists, 99.99999% of men are misogynistic assholes.

According to Twitter antifems, anyone with coloured hair is a shrieking ideologue.

Kind of seems like Twitter gives you a wildly distorted view of reality, doesn't it?

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This seems improbably unless you think there's just a wide disparity in dateability in the first place. I guess there could be, but in a nation where 70% of people are overweight, there's a lot of low dating market value to go around among both genders.

That was the subtext there, yeah.

I don't know why you think it's all about weight though.

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Real life more complicated than a video game

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Is it though?
I see humans as simple beings, following very predictable patterns.

The only thing making life difficult for some is the refusal to see how we humans really are.

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Boys/men simply aren't very developed yet when they enter their 20's, where women start to develop socially as soon as they enter their teenage years.
Men are so far behind in their 20's, it's near impossible to catch up.

I know the term "man child" is used too easily for this, but it is a good way to describe many young men today. Women don't want a big child, they want a mature man!

As a guy on the verge of entering his 30's I can tell you that after 3 years of self working to better myself most if not all women hate it when I open up. They get attracted to me and they like me because I'm better at a lot of things, sex included, but the moment I show any real emotional connection they begin to disslike me. I do date young maybe inexperienced girls but that's just the type I find attractive.

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As a guy on the verge of entering his 30's I can tell you that after 3 years of self working to better myself most if not all women hate it when I open up. They get attracted to me and they like me because I'm better at a lot of things, sex included, but the moment I show any real emotional connection they begin to disslike me. I do date young maybe inexperienced girls but that's just the type I find attractive.

In what way do you open up emotionally that they dislike?

In general you don't want to open up about your personal issues at all. If you do, at least do it in a way that shows you are in control.

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In what way do you open up emotionally that they dislike?

In general you don't want to open up about your personal issues at all. If you do, at least do it in a way that shows you are in control.

I express how I feel. For example with the curent girl that I'm seeing (FwB but neither of us is dating anyone else since we don't have the time for it), it's telling her that I would love it if she spends the night instead of leaving after sex, as I view sleeping together as part of intimacy.

I get it some people have issues with intimacy or doing the "regular" lovers affections but like wtf.

If I act indifferent to outcome as the majority of dating/relationship coaches train and advise I feel like I'm disshonest to myself. Yeah I've noticed the girls find this totally attractive and I can see the results but if I don't tell what I want and what I feel what's the point of having any relationship?

[Veyne]

not true, incel is involuntary celebrate, key word being involuntary,
if you choose to play wow instead of dealing with the toxic dating then its not an incel

That sounds an awful lot like trying to rationalize their "involuntary celibacy."

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Meh it is what it is and let's face it, it's preferable to having it arranged by you parents for political and monotary gain.

But yea there are issues with western dating culture for both men and women.

As a man it can be a bit dehumanising in the way we get treated, old fashioned and illiberal in how we're expected to act and often insulting with the double standards. But that's not new news most men and women admit there's been a lack of social progress in regards to how women see and treat men and how men see and treat other men.

But shit won't change any time soon. This is the generation of all talk no balls so it will just stay a debate for along time yet.

So you got 3 paths.
Be in the lucky few who suffer it and find real love.
Be one of the growing number who bang out a couple kids then die single
Or fuck it and just masturbait and play games.

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Is it though?
I see humans as simple beings, following very predictable patterns.

The only thing making life difficult for some is the refusal to see how we humans really are.

Causality?

Life is difficult only when people fight the immovable.
Accepting what you can't change is just if not more important than changing what you can.

Realising the only person who can make you happy is yourself is the biggest step a man can make in being independant and free of emotional manipulation, if you rely on some one else to make you happy then your first selfish to think some one else can understand you more than your self and do that job for you and second vulnerable to becoming emotionally dependant Wich is a fast track to an abusive destructive relationship.

Be a happy individual first. Then look to be a happy couple of individuals.

[ojblade]

That sounds an awful lot like trying to rationalize their "involuntary celibacy."

well its true,

its basically a guy that cant get a date, is an incel.
but if you choose not to date, whether its MGTOW or not, then its no longer an INCEL

the whole point is, people is naming and making a big deal out of something so simple.
incel = guy that cant get a date/laid

[Rennadrel]

You know what would be very unwise, to post a picture of yourself in this post...! Btw pretty impressive 4k posts in less then 9 months?

What do you expect from a Tennisball alt account?

[Mistame]

incel = guy that cant get a date/laid

A few things... First, celibate carries and inherent voluntary connotation, thus making "involuntary celibate" more or less an oxymoron. Second, self-service disqualifies one from celibacy. Finally, "incel" is generally something that's self-proclaimed and purely the fault of their own action/inaction which contradicts the logic behind the term, thus compounding it into some strange "voluntary involuntary voluntary no sex" thing.

[kamuimac]

Boys/men simply aren't very developed yet when they enter their 20's, where women start to develop socially as soon as they enter their teenage years.
Men are so far behind in their 20's, it's near impossible to catch up.

I know the term "man child" is used too easily for this, but it is a good way to describe many young men today. Women don't want a big child, they want a mature man!

and they always wanted this is not a new thing happening just atm many men have false "sense" that they still "have time " and then around 30-35 they wake up one day scared that that time run out - thats why many "men" make mistake of trying to date in their own age bracket instead stop wasting time and look for 5-6 years younger women - if they tried it from beggining it would bring them much better resoults.

this is also why you end up with ton of dissapointed 30 year olds who complain that most of women they meet are already married or with kids while if they looked for partner of 20-25 it would be exackly the age bracket when women look for husband/have kids and they would become husband/father that they are so jealus of.

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Girls/women always had a head start in their development. Remember high school, where the boys were still kids and the girls already dressed "sexy" and started using make up and having a crush on the older boys? That seems to be a thing of all times, not just today.

Still wasnt a problem back in the day, because boys would eventually catch up. They had to, they had nothing else.
Nowadays, boys are stuck alone in their bedroom playing games, while women are out there socialising. This creates an enormous rift.

Living a solitaire lifestyle with little to no interaction with women also created the fear that many young men have towards women and their opinion about them. It goes so much deeper now than simple fear of rejection; women are almost completely alien to many men and they have no idea ow to interact with them.

this i rememeber perfeckly from high school - that girls around 16-18 were always aiming at guys that were already working/in univeristy , and during uni years those were always easiest to pick up since women from my year were aiming at post graduates with decent job/apartment/car.

this is probably as old as world is.

[Stelio Kontos]

this is also why you end up with ton of dissapointed 30 year olds who complain that most of women they meet are already married or with kids while if they looked for partner of 20-25 it would be exackly the age bracket when women look for husband/have kids and they would become husband/father that they are so jealus of..

I don't specifically look for women too much younger, but at 36, yeah, I am doing really well with the 20-somethings.

[kamuimac]

Is it though?
I see humans as simple beings, following very predictable patterns.

The only thing making life difficult for some is the refusal to see how we humans really are.

i kinda disagree - the aspect i see it varies hugely is number of unpredictible fuck ups made by others which affect you somehow then the "pattern is broken" and problems arise .

but yes most of people are gullible predictable idiots.

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I express how I feel. For example with the curent girl that I'm seeing (FwB but neither of us is dating anyone else since we don't have the time for it), it's telling her that I would love it if she spends the night instead of leaving after sex, as I view sleeping together as part of intimacy.

oh ye dude - no this is a the biggest no no (you can show it in single gestures so she sees how you "try to change for her and only for her" but neeeever say it openly, women are usually have miles better perception then men so they see gestures there is absolutely no need to say stuff as they consider it too much and it scares them off )

you never should express that untill you are like months/ years into relationship

you always want to be seen as a "projekt" that she can work on, women love this simple thought of "im gonna fix him"

why do you think so many murderers have so many psycho fans and marry without a problem in jails ? (why so many "normal" people have problem with finding significant other )

[Intuitive]

If you play WOW, have lots of gold; if you are dating have lots of money. Suddenly your attractiveness scale with women will go through the roof!

[endersblade]

The older you get the worse it is too , like 95% single mothers, who just want a free ride

Having that issue too. I'm 36 and any time I try dating a woman around my age, they end up having kids and have possibly been divorced at LEAST once. I absolutely flat out will not raise someone else's child, and I do NOT want children of my own.

But like others have commented in this thread, if I try dating younger generations, we just don't mesh. I refuse to listen to what they call music, I don't go on a date to bury my face in my phone, the only social media I use is Facebook and only when I NEED to talk to someone, and don't even get me started on fashion...not to mention the fact that I am much, much MUCH more manly than the thin waifs running around now that think they're men. You're wearing skinny girl jeans and what the fuck is REALLY up with that hair cut? Did the weed whacker really beat you down this time? Speak up, use your man voice, I can't hear you. Oh I'm sorry bro, I thought you were a chick!

[Stelio Kontos]

But like others have commented in this thread, if I try dating younger generations, we just don't mesh. I refuse to listen to what they call music, I don't go on a date to bury my face in my phone, the only social media I use is Facebook and only when I NEED to talk to someone, and don't even get me started on fashion...not to mention the fact that I am much, much MUCH more manly than the thin waifs running around now that think they're men. You're wearing skinny girl jeans and what the fuck is REALLY up with that hair cut? Did the weed whacker really beat you down this time? Speak up, use your man voice, I can't hear you. Oh I'm sorry bro, I thought you were a chick!

Don't you have a big gut, as you said in the clothing thread? You sure you want to crow on how manly you are if you're doughy?