Supreme Court Says Employers Can Bar Worker Class-Action Lawsuit

[Manabomb]

By that logic almost no one can ever enter an employment contract, they will always be under duress because the employer will pretty much always have almost all the power.

Look, you figured out what's wrong with capitalism and why it needs to be regulated.

Because employers DO have all the power. Because employers DO have all the jobs.

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An employee needing something =/= an affirmative duty from any particular employer to give it to them.

Considering it's the employer who also needs an employee to maintain production and operation? I'd say the relationship should be symbiotic. But that also means the employer must guarantee employment for all employees, otherwise the system fails on itself.

[Masark]

Because employers DO have all the power. Because employers DO have all the jobs.

But you can just say "I QUIT!" and then go starve in the street while the corporation replaces you with another cog. See? Employment is totally voluntary!

[Kapadons]

But you can just say "I QUIT!" and then go starve in the street while the corporation replaces you with another cog. See? Employment is totally voluntary!

Are you pretending there is no social safety net? Or food banks and charities ?

You just HAVE to take a job with THAT employer that has an arbitration clause or die in the streets? Those are the only two options in your mind ?

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But that also means the employer must guarantee employment for all employees, otherwise the system fails on itself.

This is just silly

[NED funded]

But you can just say "I QUIT!" and then go starve in the street while the corporation replaces you with another cog. See? Employment is totally voluntary!

It is basically impossible to starve in the US.

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Look, you figured out what's wrong with capitalism and why it needs to be regulated.

Because employers DO have all the power. Because employers DO have all the jobs.

This is an exaggeration. There is a case that in certain positions there is such an imbalance but in general employees do have more power they realize over employers especially in times where unemployment is going so low.

[Louisa Bannon]

This is probably the correct ruling on the law. It's an unintended consequence of our nonsensical legal system. A lot of this hinges on contracts and administrative remedies, which is light years from common law and even further from what the average person expects as justice.

It's not necessarily a good ruling.

Far too much is being done to curtail redress of grievances in court. We are getting to the point where immortal entities called corporations have rights, even to speech, on the pretense that a fictitious person is a legal person and has the same rights as a natural person. These corporate "citizens" can beat you in court every day of the week because they can out-money almost anyone and literally shit down the neck of a private citizen.

My concern is that this does not end well. I see it as the fluttering butterfly wings that cause a storm once the air current laps around the world.

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That's because they stupidly turned on labor Unions.

Yeah organised labour is commie in the USA

[Acidbaron]

By that logic almost no one can ever enter an employment contract, they will always be under duress because the employer will pretty much always have almost all the power.

My employer has rights and plights that come with such a contract, they don't have "all the power" they have some say and so do i even as just a "worker".

[Elegiac]

By that logic almost no one can ever enter an employment contract, they will always be under duress because the employer will pretty much always have almost all the power.

Welcome to capitalism. This is why unions and other worker protections are necessary to remedy the inherent imbalance of power.

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The thing about a "prospective" employer is that they don't have any control over you in any context. They control themselves, and the terms under which they are willing to take on a new employee. The jobs, after all, belong to them. They are the ones that have work that needs done and are willing to pay other people to do it.

Let me know when you get around to adopting an ideology that is actually reflective of how business historically and presently operates when unregulated.

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Are you pretending there is no social safety net? Or food banks and charities ?

You mean those things that the pro-corporate monkeys want to get rid of because they encourage laziness?

You just HAVE to take a job with THAT employer that has an arbitration clause or die in the streets? Those are the only two options in your mind ?

Nah, there's only one option; the former.

Nor is it necessarily reduced to that level. The imbalance of bargaining power typically manifests itself more insidiously, in the vein of companies like Wal-Mart, Amazon, and now apparently Tesla.

[ls-]

I dunno why people complain about it.

Americans always preach that unions and workers' protections are bad because only socialists, a.k.a. commies, want that, they always say that the market will sort itself out.

Well, there you have it, you reap what you sow, people got what they're asking for.

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A century? I'd wager it only took a hundred hours of youtube videos. People here love to admit how they consume hours of Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson. Usually its to make the counter argument that us plebes "dont really understand what they're saying", unless we also consume all those hours of youtube.

I mean all those hours could be better spent cleaning their room, or working out.

Hehe, seems like you agree with a certain someone

[Ghostpanther]

One step closer to violent revolution. Way to think ahead, SCOTUS.

Pfft. The Conservatives are better armed. Plus remember the last time we had a violent revolution here, did not end well for the ones who started it.

This was a good decision by the Supreme Court. We need more Conservative Justices.

[Eosia]

Yeah organised labour is commie in the USA

I know. Damn commies with their weekends off, paid holidays/vacation/sick days, over time, etc.

[Ghostpanther]

I know. Damn commies with their weekends off, paid holidays/vacation/sick days, over time, etc.

So all those workers at the Marysville Honda plant here in Ohio, who have no union, are working without weekends off, paid holidays/vacation/sick days? They must have been crazy then to have repeatably rejected the auto workers union to set up there.

[Elegiac]

Pfft. The Conservatives are better armed. Plus remember the last time we had a violent revolution here, did not end well for the ones who started it.

This was a good decision by the Supreme Court. We need more Conservative Justices.

It's cute that you think that the outbreak of civil violence is a partisan issue as opposed to a class issue.

[Elba]

Pfft. The Conservatives are better armed. Plus remember the last time we had a violent revolution here, did not end well for the ones who started it.

Conservatives won't have the strength to lift their guns, after red state policies have starved them enough.

This was a good decision by the Supreme Court. We need more Conservative Justices.

Fewer worker's rights and protections is good?

[Elegiac]

So all those workers at the Marysville Honda plant here in Ohio, who have no union, are working without weekends off, paid holidays/vacation/sick days? They must have been crazy then to have repeatably rejected the auto workers union to set up there.

You're aware that benefits of that sort are implemented specifically to avoid the threat of unionisation, right?

[Ghostpanther]

It's cute that you think that the outbreak of civil violence is a partisan issue as opposed to a class issue.

It is even cuter some think they are a match for the US military.

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You're aware that benefits of that sort are implemented specifically to avoid the threat of unionisation, right?

Of course. Treat your employees well and they will be encouraged to stay. Unions use to have some value. But now, they are mostly a waste of the workers money. I have worked and been a union member and have held a position of management which I had to deal with them all the time. They are mostly a pain in the ass with no real benefits in the long run for the employees.

[Eosia]

So all those workers at the Marysville Honda plant here in Ohio, who have no union, are working without weekends off, paid holidays/vacation/sick days? They must have been crazy then to have repeatably rejected the auto workers union to set up there.

That's because they're not working for an American corporation.

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Conservatives won't have the strength to lift their guns, after red state policies have starved them enough.



Fewer worker's rights and protections is good?

He'll also be a drooling fan of trickle down economics.

[Pawstruck]

ITT: People who have no idea what a worker's union is or the abuse they've caused across many American industries (cf. auto, education, et alia).