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  1. #461
    Quote Originally Posted by Sangris View Post
    I find it funny that Vereesa played a huge role in actually preventing the Blood Elves from "redeeming themselves" when they were on the verge of doing that, and at the same time sad that she's probably too dumb to even understand it.
    Exactly, it was shown she has no idea how to tell the truth fully either through miss remembering or doesn't have the mental ability to when Sylvanas called her out on what Vereesa said to Alleria in regards to what happened with Garrosh.

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    "Why did you decide to focus on the Windrunner sisters for one of the three comics leading up to Battle for Azeroth?

    Christie Golden: In this situation, we already had the basis in an idea Steve had for a short story. . . .

    Steve Danuser: Yeah—the Windrunners are one of the cornerstone families of the Warcraft universe, with siblings on both sides of the Horde and Alliance conflict. Vereesa and Sylvanas have been in-game for a long time, but Alleria had been absent since the Second War. And when we went to Argus at the end of Legion, we finally got the chance to reintroduce Vereesa and Alleria to each other.

    Once those two met, it became clear that a moment would arrive when all three sisters would come together to talk things out. And they each have such different histories and perspectives on the world. Alleria has been gone for a thousand years, from her point of view—and until recently she didn't know about Sylvanas’s death, her being raised as a banshee, and then leading the Forsaken and the Horde.

    I'd originally written a pitch for a short story that was going to be about these three sisters, with a section on each one of them from their points of view as they come together—but then we thought, instead of doing this as a short story or trying to make it work in the context of the game, what if this was the basis for a comic? So Christie took that idea next, and really started to make it come to life.

    The three of you come from distinctly different writing backgrounds—Christie with long-form prose, Andrew with comics and animation, and Steve in games. How did that inform your collaborative process on this comic?

    Christie: I'm in love with the word, so I've had to learn to pare things down for a medium like this. That’s where Andrew’s depth of experience with comics and animation was invaluable.

    Steve: We all love telling stories, and we all want to see great stories told in the mediums that we touch. And it's about finding the right story for the right medium. Some things just work better within the games; some work better in a novel; others work better in comics.

    Christie: And with a universe like Warcraft, they can really feed into each other. I worked with Vereesa and Sylvanas a lot in War Crimes, so I was able to bring in a lot of callbacks to that in this comic—which in turn were callbacks to the game. One my personal favorite Horde quests, which I know other people love too, is The Lady's Necklace. It's such a sad, beautiful story. So I thought, what if their mother made a necklace with three gems and gave that to Alleria? And then Alleria gave them all a locket containing one of those gems? That element ended up in War Crimes, and that's what brings Vereesa and Sylvanas together. Now, finally, we have a chance to bring all three of them together. The necklaces play an important symbolic role.

    As Steve mentioned, Alleria and Turalyon have been away from Azeroth for 1,000 years, from their points of view. How does that impact their perspectives on the state of the world?

    Steve: It's hard to conceive of those kinds of things—how many lifetimes they lived out there, versus the one lifetime they had on Azeroth so long ago. That led us to the moment in the comic preview where they’re standing at their own statues outside Stormwind. If you came back to a world you left a thousand years ago and found out people thought you were dead and built statues to honor you, you'd probably go see your statue, right? That's a very “human” thing to do, and a way to reconnect with the world.

    We released an audio drama called "A Thousand Years of War" where we explored this too, and how everything Alleria and Turalyon were doing was for their son, Arator. Arator is an anchor of sorts for Alleria because, as we show in the comic, she's touched the Shadow; she's touched the Void. In-game, she tells people about how “the voices” are always there, even though when she’s talking with people, she appears totally under control. But in the comic, there are panels that are literally filled with voices saying, "Kill them! Kill them! Murder them! Free yourself!” That's something that we really couldn't have done as well in any other medium.

    Andrew Robinson: And that’s one of the reasons this sort of cross-platform storytelling works so well. Each of these things informs the other, and in such a way that you can enjoy the game or this comic without knowing everything else that's happened. But if you do the quests and then listen to the audio drama and read the book and the comic, you can get a deeper understanding, and it can mean more to the player emotionally.

    In the comic, Turalyon advises Alleria to tell Anduin about her plan to meet with Sylvanas. Is Turalyon’s dedication to the Alliance something he's carried with him during those thousand years, or was it reinforced by recent events?

    Steve: I think it's a combination. He definitely has an incredibly strong history with the Alliance. He was one of the founding paladins. He knew lots of heroes who lost their lives or made sacrifices along the way. All that background comes into play when meeting the heroes and champions of modern Azeroth.

    Christie: And at this point in the story where the comic takes place, he's already worked with Anduin. He's already seen Anduin dealing with the Light and trying to do good in the world. Also, he's courteous—he's their host!

    Andrew: And it's not like they just landed five minutes ago. In the comic, they've probably been back for roughly a month or so.

    Steve: Yeah—we see Turalyon in one of the quest lines players can do now to recruit one of Battle for Azeroth’s new Allied Races, the Lightforged Draenei. They're part of the Army of the Light that Turalyon had out in the Twisting Nether and fighting the demons on Argus. We see him interacting with Anduin a bit and being their advocate saying, "We have this army of soldiers. You're going to need soldiers. I know how to command them."

    The Windrunner sisters have had all led radically different lives. What would you say is the defining characteristic of being a Windrunner—that one thing that, despite all their differences, they still share in common?

    Andrew: I think that question is why this comic exists. They haven't seen each other in a very long time, and they want to find out what still makes them a family.

    Christie: I think that's reflected in the first line of the comic. Each of us wants to go home, to have a family.

    Steve: Before Sylvanas was killed, before Alleria went off, they were all united in their love of their country, of Silvermoon, of Quel'Thalas, the Sunwell. And the Windrunners had been hugely important in the history of the high elves—so to see that chipped away and broken has certainly affected each of them in different ways. But I think they all feel strongly about what they consider family—they just have different perspectives on it now.

    For Alleria, she decides that in order to save her son, in order to preserve her family, she has to fight a war, no matter how long it takes or what the cost. For Vereesa, she loses her husband Rhonin when the Horde attacks Theramore, and dedicates herself to making sure there's a better world for her twin sons. As for Sylvanas—I think she's had to redefine, more than anyone, what family means to her.

    But I think they still have those same drives and those same commitments. Clearly they have some different priorities, but there's still a commonality there that plays into this comic. But the question is, are those similarities enough to connect them in the long run?

    When you were initially conceiving of the comic, what possibilities were you exploring in terms of how the sisters might react to each other now?

    Steve: Christie had written these great scenes between Sylvanas and Vereesa in the War Crimes novel, and I think we saw one possible outcome there. Vereesa almost committed to joining Sylvanas, setting aside the life that she had to be with her sister. And how does Sylvanas feel about Vereesa walking away from that? That’s a thread that’s never been resolved.

    In Legion, once Vereesa tells Alleria about what Sylvanas has done, Alleria’s response is along the lines of, “I can’t believe—I refuse to believe—that my sister would ever do those things. And I can’t believe my sister would ever side with the Horde.” There are so many potential outcomes, and so much tension. You never know how those family reunions are going to play out—you want to see what happens, and yet you don’t.

    Despite being on opposite sides, Alleria and Sylvanas have both stood up to be leaders for a group of people who have been outcast. . . .

    Steve: Yeah—another one of our Allied Races in Battle for Azeroth is the Void Elves, and as you say, they are another group of outcasts from what is now the blood elf society. Alleria sees them as like-minded people and decides to champion them—which is essentially what Sylvanas did for the Forsaken. But do Alleria and Sylvanas see that commonality? It’s often hard to recognize what those closest to you are going through. And sometimes you’re just too locked into your own perspective.

    You can’t forget that the backdrop of all this is that a war is brewing. We wanted to set the story at this particular point in time—after the events of the Argus campaign, but prior to the events of Before the Storm—because really, the only time these three sisters could come together this way is right now.

    The first page of the comic is a single panel of the three sisters together, sharing what appears a peaceful moment after the events of the rest of the comic. Why did you decide to begin the story with that image and that moment?

    Christie: One of the things that comics can do is really let the visuals tell the story. There are a couple of places where we pull back from the dialogue and close in on the sisters, letting the images carry you through. I wanted that first panel from the outset—it was kind of a key to something that comes later, but I also wanted to start with this moment where it feels like all things are possible.

    Andrew: And we want the reader to feel like, “Whoa, this is amazing! How did they finally get to this moment? What are they gonna do next?” And then the reader can think about that context as the story unfolds.

    Can you talk a bit about how you came to work with the artists for this comic? What was you process like?

    Christie: When we set out to create a comic, we look at a range of different styles and artists, and try to find the right fit for the story we want to tell. One thing about this particular comic is that it’s centered around three women—powerful, strong, beautiful, legendary, not-quite-human figures—so we really needed someone who could capture what made these characters immediately admirable and strong. . . .

    Andrew: And someone who could capture their expressiveness. One of the most important things to me, especially in a story of this nature, is to see the emotion you’re trying to convey expressed through
    the art.

    Steve: And even though these characters are siblings, they each have a unique demeanor, and I think the artist captured what makes them distinct beautifully.

    One last question: Does Vereesa know that Sylvanas meant to turn her undead if she would have gone through with the plan in War Crimes and joined her sister’s side?

    Christie: I think she has no idea. Why would she? Why would Sylvanas tell her? And what’s fun about that is Sylvanas doesn’t think this is a bad thing at all!

    Andrew: Of course, Sylvanas thinks they’re just going to be together . . . forever!

    Christie: Sylvanas is probably thinking Vereesa will just leave her kids, so she doesn’t have to worry about them anymore; they can just rule together, and it’s going to be great.

    Steve: One of the interesting things about writing Sylvanas is that if you look at it from a purely human perspective, she does a lot of horrible things. You might recoil at the thought of someone killing her own sister just to be together. But when you think about what’s always driven Sylvanas—preserving her family, making sure her people endure—then she’s doing the same kinds of things she did before, just in different circumstances.

    Andrew: I would also say that Sylvanas is ineffably lonely. She commands an army, but she has no one she can truly identify with. And here’s this sister she has so many fond memories of—from her perspective, she’s preserving her family, and making it so she’ll never be alone.

    Steve: We all have those things with family where we ask, “Why can’t you understand the choices I’m making? We’re aligned in so many ways, and I’m doing this for the same reasons I did everything before—why can’t you see that?” But sometimes, when you’re looking at it from the outside, it’s hard to look past the horror and the cost. These three still have a lot in common, and this comic is about finding out . . . is that enough to keep them together, or will they forever be separated?"

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  3. #463
    Quote Originally Posted by Sangris View Post
    I find it funny that Vereesa played a huge role in actually preventing the Blood Elves from "redeeming themselves" when they were on the verge of doing that, and at the same time sad that she's probably too dumb to even understand it.
    I'm glad that sylvanas told that all the shit that caused garrosh is her fault

  4. #464
    Quote Originally Posted by General Zanjin View Post
    Steve: One of the interesting things about writing Sylvanas is that if you look at it from a purely human perspective, she does a lot of horrible things. You might recoil at the thought of someone killing her own sister just to be together. But when you think about what’s always driven Sylvanas—preserving her family, making sure her people endure—then she’s doing the same kinds of things she did before, just in different circumstances.
    Fascinating stuff. I think this says a lot about their intended characterizations for Sylvanaas which have always been a bit shrouded due to her being secretive and paranoid.

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    THe void just wants Alleria to kill her entire family. I dont know if the statements by the void about sylv means it is afraid of her. The void wanted Turalyon dead, Varessa dead, Sylv dead, just so Alleria would be all alone, all alone in her thoughts and feelings, all alone with the void.

    Alleria already is a bit afraid of seeing sylvanas she is the warcheif of the horde, shes undead, an abomination to Alleria, and the void was playing on that. She is the true enemy! Unnatural!
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  6. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaikal21 View Post
    excuse me?? its amazing how people misunderstood that. there is nowhere this ''hush vereesa''. the hush was meant to go to sylvanas because she interupted vereesa's speech. go and look it up yourself. the ''hush'' is below sylvanas's text.
    its also so obvious what im saying is true because in game alleria agrees with vereesa. she wants to bring blood elves in the alliance. hush is for sylvanas.

    ''blood elf pride woop woop'' triggering as fuck. people see things because they really need to it seems
    Lol people actually misunderstood that? Some people have such a hate-boner for Veressa they would twist everything to get a shot at her character.

  7. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by Alleria Windrunner View Post
    It makes perfect sense that Alleria is confused and even perhaps shocked by the fact that her beloved sister has become the Warchief of the Horde, the enemy that ravaged Quel'thalas and even took the lives of Alleria's mother and brother..
    Can you explain to me what the hell you are talking about here?

    At no point sylvanas became the enemy of Quel'thalas except for the short period when he was under Arthas's control. She actually offered all the help she could to the blood elves and helped them rebuild. One of the reasons they allied themselves with the Horde was their familiarity with Sylvanas.

    As far as I know, her mother and brother were dead looooong before she became undead as well so I have no clue what you mean when you say she took the lives of her mother and brother. If I remember correctly, her mother died in some troll war or amani invasion? and brother died fighting the demonic orcs, there was a retcon about this?

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    Can you explain to me what the hell you are talking about here?
    'Enemy' refers to the Horde, not Sylvanas.
    The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Zanjin View Post
    Can you talk a bit about how you came to work with the artists for this comic? What was you process like?

    Christie: When we set out to create a comic, we look at a range of different styles and artists, and try to find the right fit for the story we want to tell. One thing about this particular comic is that it’s centered around three women—powerful, strong, beautiful, legendary, not-quite-human figures—so we really needed someone who could capture what made these characters immediately admirable and strong. . . .

    Andrew: And someone who could capture their expressiveness. One of the most important things to me, especially in a story of this nature, is to see the emotion you’re trying to convey expressed through
    the art.

    Steve: And even though these characters are siblings, they each have a unique demeanor, and I think the artist captured what makes them distinct beautifully.
    so they purposefully made them ugly and masculine? thats sad

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    I liked the comic, shoot me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleria Windrunner View Post
    'Enemy' refers to the Horde, not Sylvanas.
    Which is funny because the Horde has been a stronger ally to Quel’thalas than the Allince ever was. Of course Alleria would miss that she caught that Human fever hard and it’s taken her over a thousand years to start feeling something else.
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    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I liked the comic, shoot me?
    Your location has been ascertained and consultants are en route as we speak. Please lie down on the floor, assume the fetal position, and await extraction. You may leave a brief written statement for friends or family if you wish, but please keep it brief and in an easy-to-access location.

    I think the comic was alright, though - the dialogue was a bit stilted but I liked that the meeting was covered, and I found the notion that all three of the sisters still retain a sense of bond with one-another to be touching.
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  13. #473
    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    Which is funny because the Horde has been a stronger ally to Quel’thalas than the Allince ever was. Of course Alleria would miss that she caught that Human fever hard and it’s taken her over a thousand years to start feeling something else.
    To be fair, that's only to Blood Elves, though. The High Elves have a difference stance over that matter (thanks, Nanathos) - yes, they were banished / exiled, but I believe in Alleria's mind they were essentially the same when it comes to being citizens of Quel'thalas.
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  14. #474
    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    Alleria: I have light human potential
    Sylvannas: I have undead human potential
    Veressa: I lost my human potential but I made sure I procured some smaller human potential

    Good. By our powers combined I am captain potential!
    lol ok you win

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    Except it's not just a 10 page comic. There's this novel "Before the Storm". And a host of other novels. And the problem is not that it's just some extra lore. It's exceedingly MAJOR story points that should be told IN GAME.
    You seem to be assuming that most players want to sift through all of this in game. In my experience, most players just want to kill stuff. Pulling a lot of the lore aside into optional novels saves a LOT of exposition time in game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asphyx22 View Post
    I think Sylvanas was telling the truth when she said she would never betray her sisters. However, this may have been an inadvertent truth because she obviously was planning to do it, but then backed off. I think Vereesa saying she fears she will lose her sisters is alluding to her possibly dying in the near future.

    Sorry if somebody already said this. Too lazy to read it all.
    When she first made her statements, the one about not betraying her sisters was meant to be the lie. Was the lie, if you judge such things by intent. She states at the end that she still intends to kill them and rez them as Forsaken eventually. She decided - for whatever reasons - not to do so at the Spire, which is why she did not finish the game.

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    So not sure if it's been mentioned but the void says Sylvanas works for the "true enemy"? What is that supposed to mean? I'm guessing the true enemy is something both the void and light fear, so I'm guessing, undeath?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    Her sisters is one of the few things she clings to, I don't get how people are not seeing this.
    I see it, but I also see how people get confused, with her always plotting on the side to kill them and rez them as Forsaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewmaster Kolee View Post
    I see it, but I also see how people get confused, with her always plotting on the side to kill them and rez them as Forsaken.
    Because she doesn't think that they would be worst off by her side. It's not like she hates them, she has a twisted view on love and has for a long time.

    ''I will let them to cling to thier sorrow-filled lives a little longer''. ...She's constantly like ''for real I'll do it this time for sure, for real this time.''

    Steve: One of the interesting things about writing Sylvanas is that if you look at it from a purely human perspective, she does a lot of horrible things. You might recoil at the thought of someone killing her own sister just to be together. But when you think about what’s always driven Sylvanas—preserving her family, making sure her people endure—then she’s doing the same kinds of things she did before, just in different circumstances.

    Andrew: I would also say that Sylvanas is ineffably lonely. She commands an army, but she has no one she can truly identify with. And here’s this sister she has so many fond memories of—from her perspective, she’s preserving her family, and making it so she’ll never be alone.

    Steve: We all have those things with family where we ask, “Why can’t you understand the choices I’m making? We’re aligned in so many ways, and I’m doing this for the same reasons I did everything before—why can’t you see that?” But sometimes, when you’re looking at it from the outside, it’s hard to look past the horror and the cost. These three still have a lot in common, and this comic is about finding out . . . is that enough to keep them together, or will they forever be separated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewmaster Kolee View Post

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    When she first made her statements, the one about not betraying her sisters was meant to be the lie. Was the lie, if you judge such things by intent. She states at the end that she still intends to kill them and rez them as Forsaken eventually. She decided - for whatever reasons - not to do so at the Spire, which is why she did not finish the game.

    I agree that was meant to be a lie, but I think they wrote the comic in a way that the actual truth might not be what Sylvanas thinks. Even though they are making her look evil in BFA, I still have a feeling she won't be the one to actually set it all off and betray them. Something else will make it look like she did. As for Vereesa fearing she will lose her sisters, I think this will be true, but not in the way Vereesa thinks. What if she actually dies instead of her two sisters? She would still lose her sisters that way because that will separate her from them permanently.

  19. #479
    Am I the only one who thought this comic was pretty lackluster? I'm pretty much uninterested in all three Windrunners to the point where I was actually more interested in Rhonin's sons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techno-Druid View Post
    Am I the only one who thought this comic was pretty lackluster? I'm pretty much uninterested in all three Windrunners to the point where I was actually more interested in Rhonin's sons.
    Well, it deserved more than a mere comic. But maybe there will come more.

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