How would you feel if Night Elves and Blood Elves switched factions?

[Dartz1979]

I would like to see it just so tyrande and sylvanas could be a hot couple hehe now take that pairing match to the golden saucer on final fantasy 7 with mods of course couldn't do it without such a thing.

[Itisamuh]

Fine, so long as Horde got Void Elves in return.

[wushootaki]

Yeah, better to be with the Horde. You know the ones with Trolls, Orcs and Undead. 3 Different groups that at one time or another waged War with and brutally killed parts of your kind.

It must sicken Alleria to see her Sister leading the people that helped destroy her Homeland for Millenia.

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Maybe due to the fact they were allies of the Alliance many times in the Centuries previous and owed Humans a debt for literally saving their civilisation from the Trolls.

What people helped destroy Quel'thelas for a Millenia? Or are you being racist? Because Amani trolls aren't part of the Horde.

[Super Kami Dende]

Meanwhile the Alliance never disavowed Garithos or those who sided with him and instead sent spies and saboteurs to prepare an invasion of a then-neutral Quel'thalas. Several years later the Alliance used a neutral organisation to lash out at the Blood Elves for the actions of one Garrosh loyalist.

Blood Elves belong with the Horde, not the Alliance. It doesn't matter that their style of clothing and buildings don't 'fit'.

Garithos? You mean the one they allowed to be killed with no repercussions because only his own Men followed him? And the attack on the Sunreavers when they were already a part of the Horde as a retaliation for a horde attack?

Blood Elves joining the Horde was always one of the most retarded parts of Lore in this game.

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What people helped destroy Quel'thelas for a Millenia? Or are you being racist? Because Amani trolls aren't part of the Horde.

I literally listed the 3 in the same thing you quoted.

[Aeula]

Garithos? You mean the one they allowed to be killed with no repercussions because only his own Men followed him? And the attack on the Sunreavers when they were already a part of the Horde as a retaliation for a horde attack?

Blood Elves joining the Horde was always one of the most retarded parts of Lore in this game.

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I literally listed the 3 in the same thing you quoted.

'No repercussions'. The Forsaken had established an empire. Garithos wasn't worth a war on that scale. It took burning a world tree and major city to get the Alliance to risk attacking Lordaeron.

And a massacre and mass imprisonment in response to Jaina over-reacting about a single traitor. You can see why Blood Elves wouldn't want to be around such crazies.

[Lillyth]

The Horde is more naturey and wild, and the Alliance is more institutional and industrialized. I think thematically, it wouldn't be a stretch to say they would fit.

And if they did switch, the Night Elves could roam freely across Kalimdor again, and it would end the faction war since both factions would be more or less continent-locked.

But that's not what I'm getting at.

Hypothetical: Suppose for whatever reason they switch factions. If it made sense lore-wise, would you be okay with it?

At this point its much more likely for them to leave both Alliance and Horde in the dust. There is no lore-wise reason to make sense anymore. And I cannot actually be okay with them anymore either way at this point. They butchered everything about them.

[ravenmoon]

The Horde is more naturey and wild, and the Alliance is more institutional and industrialized. I think thematically, it wouldn't be a stretch to say they would fit.

And if they did switch, the Night Elves could roam freely across Kalimdor again, and it would end the faction war since both factions would be more or less continent-locked.

But that's not what I'm getting at.

Hypothetical: Suppose for whatever reason they switch factions. If it made sense lore-wise, would you be okay with it?

Only part of the night elves are nature, and that nature has heavy arcane influence.

The priestesses aren't really nature, they live and respect nature, but they aren't your wood elf typeset

Nor are the returned highborne and arcane wielding groups like the shen'dralar, Moonguard and Farondis, they also love nature, but they aren't your wood elf type either.

Night elves can be very hard , decisive in battle because of their great age and wisdom they know when violence is the response and the necessity to engage to protect a secret like the well of eternity in Warcraft 3. Killing isn't civil in a hunt for satyrs, demons or trespassing orcs, whose actions could bring the burning legion and the very destruction of the world if they find and start using the well, so they go all out in a way that can seem savage - but specifically because the stakes are so high and their can be no hesitation - they have the capacity to act perfectly correctly as the situation requires, because they are that experienced and that smart, so just cos you see them in that capacity there, doesn't mean that is the whole spectrum of them, just as because you only saw roles for night elf druids in most of wow did not mean their culture amd racial did not have others like the priesthood, wardens, demon hunters or the highborne, nightborne moonguard etc in their own isolated and highly specialised and distinct pockets (this highly specialised and distinctive groups are another core feature of night elves, remember when only females were priests and only makes druids until gameplay forced a change?.
Having highly specialised and distinct communities is very night elf, druid doesn't mix with priest, demon hunters are their own thing, highborne have their own community as do the nightborne, they collaborate, but mixing is not the norm for them, they stick to their orders, but will work together when great threats like the legion demand it.

But they are not savage, neither are they a violent or war minded race, they are not drow, nor primitive Amazonian. They are highly organised and intelligent and very peace loving, knowledge curious group too.

You all forget the duality of the night elves that is always a juxtaposed contradiction of opposites. Their biggest charm and what makes them so enigmatic and impossible to grasp at first glance. FOR me they were the only group that demanded investigation and made me very curious to look closer because they were such contradictions that actually seemed to work, I was like how, and kept digging, until I understood much more.

You accept the cut throat killer instinct presentation of Grom's first encounter with them and yet completely ignore the preceding descriptions and following presentations that show their very magical and peace loving side.

You ignore the history, the entrenched arcane influence throughout their presentation from day one that had their druids and priesthood full of it and centred around the arcane Well they are shown from day one as being filled with it's power and using it's properties to enhance life but actually not using it like they did pre-sundering to wrought works of magic like sorcerers for reasons that were clearly described yet cleverly playing on general fantasy tropes their restriction alluded to, but was never actually the case. This was another juxtaposition, because you don't use the arcane well or arcane, but yet you are full of it and use it's properties.

This is no wood elf, nor savage either, it is entirely unique and extremely well crafted (it's only failure is blizzards failure to consistently and diligently portray this group through a large portion of wow as they had done in WC3 and classic - to be fair, the injustice was the sloppy handling in cataclysm and the neglectful insertions or absencies in TBC and WotLK, it got better in Sop (despite earlier MoP for that Tyrande guffaw, Legion was fairly good even though we dont see anymore from the race after the nighthold. But they are centred around the stars and moon as cultural centre, with the predominance of nature or the arcane merely the result of necessity based on which hero led them. They are neither your wood elf archetype nor your high elf archetype, they are entirely unique and like an extreme version of everything they do but with their unique cultural motiffs

Their principles and belief structures, morals etc are far more similar to the alliance than the horde, in fact they are more like the extreme and perfected right of the alliance.

They would not have fit at all in the same way even a corrupted high elf group like the blood elves were by TBC still an odd fit, the night elves would have just not fit. Just like the only reason nightborne work on the horde is because the blood elves are therr and they can connect through the blood elves to the rest of the horde they dont really fit.

[Doffen]

And a massacre and mass imprisonment in response to Jaina over-reacting about a single traitor. You can see why Blood Elves wouldn't want to be around such crazies.

I guess with Jaina "over-reacting" she was finally done getting screwed over by the Horde, yes. What Jaina did was fine. And I hope we see more of it in BfA.

[Aeula]

I guess with Jaina "over-reacting" she was finally done getting screwed over by the Horde, yes. What Jaina did was fine. And I hope we see more of it in BfA.

It wasn't 'fine' for the Blood Elves.

[Doffen]

It wasn't 'fine' for the Blood Elves.

That wasn't the point.

[Arrashi]

Maybe due to the fact they were allies of the Alliance many times in the Centuries previous and owed Humans a debt for literally saving their civilisation from the Trolls.

A debt that was paid thousand times over.

[Aeula]

That wasn't the point.

Then why are you replying to me? This isn't a purge of Dalaran thread. Go to one of those.

[McCrazy]

Since the question is hypothetical: It would be a mess with my alts. I would have 2 Horde-Druids, but none left with the Alliance. Then I would have two Alliance-Paladins on the same account but no more Horde-Paladin. My Demonhunters would be no problem, because they would just switch sides.

How would that turn out with the Faction-Race-Class-Balance? BE-Paladins gone on side of the Horde, only the Tauren left. And with Druids on Alliance-side. That would be only Worgen until Kul'tirans come as allied race. Are there any new Paladins for Horde?

Lorewise it would make no much sense. All in all a pretty mess, I guess.

[Doffen]

A debt that was paid thousand times over.

You mean they saved each other just as many times ye. I guess it is Human and Elf potential.

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Then why are you replying to me? This isn't a purge of Dalaran thread. Go to one of those.

Point was you said she was over-reacting. She wasn't. You actually brought that up. See you there I guess(not)

[Aeula]

Point was you said she was over-reacting. She wasn't. You actually brought that up. See you there I guess(not)

I brought it up to prove that Blood Elves have no reason to join the Alliance.

[Razion]

I can dig it. Primal Night Elves has a return to glory kind of vibe to it, which is only appropriate as part of the Horde.

At least the Alliance would have mega population with both Humans and Blood Elves in the same boat.
But man, personally I think the Alliance would be very lame without Night Elves.

I guess to summarize: Done right, I'd be excited about it.
Not sure the Blood Elves get any cooler from this exchange, though.

[Theoris]

I believe that ship has sailed. Blood elves have been open to join the Alliance three times now, and all attempted alliances have been met with either attempted genocide, infiltration and sabotage, or imprisonment (respectively). If they decided to try again it could only be described as natural selection. (coughvoidelvesunconvincingcough)

Night elves joining the Horde speaks for itself, really. They're probably the race that hates the Horde (specifically orcs) the most.

[Doffen]

I brought it up to prove that Blood Elves have no reason to join the Alliance.

I know.

But, the Blood Elves were very "close"(as in Blizzard wouldn't make any race change side, ah, except Blood Elves becoming Void Elves) to join the Alliance until Aethas betrayed the Kirin Tor(matter of perspective I might add) But Jaina herself wasn't overreacting from her side. She was done with the bullshit.

[Deleted]

What if there would be no faction since beginning and players could get friendly or hostile reputation with any race? That could work for PVP, too. For example I could be a worgen hunting spacegoats. Or orc-eater troll. Or bunch of elves of any kind making babies in Goldshire.

Irony aside, but in fact I'd really prefer no-faction game. Two-faction is a cancer of WoW lore, because anything Blizzard will implement, requires faction balance. One race for Horde, one for Alliance. Horde loosing a territory, so Alliance need, too. No one wins, no one loses.
It could be still storytelling alike orcs vs humans, or like in BFA - humans vs undead, and players could be nothing but a mercenaries joining races they support. And what stops a human to help the undead, if they pay him? Honor? Or patriotism? Please, stop. For example I would prefer to play as a honorless and extremely greedy guy switching sides and fighting "for the highest bidder".

[Kaldriss]

orcs are sworn enemies of the night elves so nah