Popular TV Host Chris Hardwick accused of sexual abuse

[Doctor Funkenstein]

What irony is that? Keep in mind I haven't said a single thing about Chris Hardwick one way or the other.

That you keep demanding proof.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

She doesn't have to prove shit.

Ergo, no one else does either. You can say whatever the fuck you want about someone, and it MUST be believed (but only if you're a woman). No proof required. Because, apparently, the sheer "embarrassment" of mentioning it in public is enough to deter liars and life-ruiners.

[Travis B]

That you keep demanding proof.

And what's ironic about that?

[Doctor Funkenstein]

And what's ironic about that?

See the addendum above.

[Travis B]

See the addendum above.

Well I didn't say that, so my posts aren't ironic, but okay.

[Saucexorzski]

Harshment? Are you just making up words now like you make up false accusations against other people?

Oh I'm just making stuff up , why ever do you think that?

[Kelimbror]

Well I didn't say that, so my posts aren't ironic, but okay.

You aren't also on a platform demanding that the accuser in this news show proof. You are just asking one person, then attacking them for not providing it. The entire premise of taking a side here instead of taking no side is that you inherently support one story. If you don't, then you are being an asshat for no reason. So this is your chance to clarify anyone should provide proof and stop railing on that person.

[endersblade]

And thus the witch hunt continues.

[Travis B]

You aren't also on a platform demanding that the accuser in this news show proof. You are just asking one person, then attacking them for not providing it. The entire premise of taking a side here instead of taking no side is that you inherently support one story. If you don't, then you are being an asshat for no reason. So this is your chance to clarify anyone should provide proof and stop railing on that person.

I'm not sure what you think you read, but I didn't take any sides here. So kindly take your own advice.

[Saucexorzski]

That you keep demanding proof.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Ergo, no one else does either. You can say whatever the fuck you want about someone, and it MUST be believed (but only if you're a woman). No proof required. Because, apparently, the sheer "embarrassment" of mentioning it in public is enough to deter liars and life-ruiners.

Well if nothing else good comes of my crimes, at least you get it. I'm afraid though that these fanatics just don't see the incongruity of at all. I am however deeply enjoying the delicious irony.

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Your posting history.

Oh boy heres another one. You going to ask for proof now too? Do it! Do it!

[Kelimbror]

I'm not sure what you think you read, but I didn't take any sides here. So kindly take your own advice.

By only demanding proof from one set of views, you are taking a side. The fact that you are both oblivious to that and the lack of proof anywhere is horrifying.

[Th3Scourge]

Court of public opinion will already decide guilt these days.

[endersblade]

Men are seldom victims.

You know, for a society that is all about supporting minorities, I find it extremely silly that in cases involving men being raped, nobody ever believes it. Being the minorities in this situation. As much as people seem to scream about equality nobody is willing to ACTUALLY treat people equal across the board. Feminists aren't about equality, they're about revenge against men. BLM isn't about making blacks equal, it's about getting revenge against whites.

Women claim to have no power, but in reality, especially in court, they hold ALL the power. Because nobody wants to be the judge that sides with the man. You'd probably lose your gavel inside of a week, the media would slander you, and people would call for your blood. Even IF the man was 100% guilt free. If a woman claims a man raped her, groped her, hell, said a bad word within earshot, the man is AUTOMATICALLY assumed guilty regardless. It takes far, far more evidence to prove a man is innocent than to prove the woman is lying.

And everyone apparently hates white men. I never did get that. I don't have any sort of privilege, I don't have any sort of superiority complex, I bust my ass for pittance just like everyone else does. Oh wait, is that me assuming I'm in the same boat as the poor minorities who leech food stamps and spit out 20 kids and crank the political engine? Well fuck me. Oh, did I just racially stereotype? Must be muh white male privilege getting in the way again.

I find it ironic that I live in Portland but am an extreme minority because I believe and feel the opposite of just about everyone up here.

[Travis B]

By only demanding proof from one set of views, you are taking a side. The fact that you are both oblivious to that and the lack of proof anywhere is horrifying.

Maybe you could show me where the other person made a baseless accusation that I should demand "proof" from them too? Also, I like how asking people a question is now considered asking for "proof". You people really need to get over yourselves.

[alturic]

You know, for a society that is all about supporting minorities, I find it extremely silly that in cases involving men being raped, nobody ever believes it. Being the minorities in this situation. As much as people seem to scream about equality nobody is willing to ACTUALLY treat people equal across the board. Feminists aren't about equality, they're about revenge against men. BLM isn't about making blacks equal, it's about getting revenge against whites.

Women claim to have no power, but in reality, especially in court, they hold ALL the power. Because nobody wants to be the judge that sides with the man. You'd probably lose your gavel inside of a week, the media would slander you, and people would call for your blood. Even IF the man was 100% guilt free. If a woman claims a man raped her, groped her, hell, said a bad word within earshot, the man is AUTOMATICALLY assumed guilty regardless. It takes far, far more evidence to prove a man is innocent than to prove the woman is lying.

And everyone apparently hates white men. I never did get that. I don't have any sort of privilege, I don't have any sort of superiority complex, I bust my ass for pittance just like everyone else does. Oh wait, is that me assuming I'm in the same boat as the poor minorities who leech food stamps and spit out 20 kids and crank the political engine? Well fuck me. Oh, did I just racially stereotype? Must be muh white male privilege getting in the way again.

I find it ironic that I live in Portland but am an extreme minority because I believe and feel the opposite of just about everyone up here.

God dayum. Where is that like button!

[Saucexorzski]

No need. Thanks for trying.

Aww leaving already? And without any really good jabs? Just these one line jokes? You are off your game tonight...you must be spent from all the trump threads..lots of good shit posting opportunities there so it's understandable.

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Maybe you could show me where the other person made a baseless accusation that I should demand "proof" from them too? Also, I like how asking people a question is now considered asking for "proof". You people really need to get over yourselves.

I love it when you play coy.

[Vatrilian]

People need to read the crucible we are in the midst of a 21st century crucible.

[bloomy]

guilty until proven innocent, hopefully he has video of his entire life ready to share otherwise the public will know that he's a monster before even hearing his side... what a great time it is to be alive.

all the false claims out there really offend me and make me feel weird sexually. #metoo

[Mistame]

The false accusations are basically non-existent compared to the actual abusive relationships out there. Women are afraid for their safety and future, and don't report it to the police, and most rape cases are dropped due to lack of evidence, and a "word against word" situation.

A single false accusation is just as bad as a single unreported case of sexual assault. Also, it's just as likely that the majority of false accusations go "unreported". While it's certainly bad to automatically assume a woman is lying, there are a lot of vindictive women out there.

Using threats to force sexual intercourse is the issue, not sexual incompatibility.

Except the part where saying that you'll leave someone is not an actual threat in the context of coercion.

[Deleted]

This is the kind of response to something like this, even if the man accused is someone I personally think is a complete white-knighting SJW douchebag, that just irritates the hell out of me:




To paraphrase, "the man is a piece of trash, I mean, I've never had any actual interaction with him, ever, but you hear things, and I believe women."

I definitely get the urge to 100% believe the victim 100% of the time, at least when it's a man accused of having done something to a woman. I understand how people who actually were raped, assaulted, abused, molested, harassed and the like, are in a shitty situation, and they absolutely need all the help they can get.

However, "I believe the victim" is not system of justice, nor could it ever be one that would work. "I believe the victim" also equates to "I believe the accuser."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

It is, according to Wikipedia and its sources, "generally agreed" that of all the rape allegations that were actually thoroughly investigated, about 2% to 10% were false. Again, that's only the number found after thorough investigations, and only the number having to do with allegations of rape that went through the actual justice systems. The number of false accusations will, almost certainly, be higher when you factor in all the accusations that never go into a justice system in the first place, and even more so when you factor in all the allegations of sexual assaults, abuse and so on, that aren't classified strictly as "rape".

It's all good when you only think of people who actually were victimized, and then justify publicly lynching a person based on that, but when people keep allowing that to be the system, that system will be abused, and the easier it is to abuse that system - which it will be, if that system is the system people allow - the more it will be abused.

Here's some sad Finnish stats from that Wikipedia article:

A 2008 internal review by the Helsinki Police Violent Crimes Department stated that, in 2008, more than 20% of reports of sexual assault led to "no crime" decision. Chief Inspector Juha Rautaheimo voiced frustration at investigating what he believed were non-crimes. Sergeant Marja Vuento stated that many reports were made by people who were drunk and inconsiderate, and that the number of baseless rape reports had risen hand in hand with the increase of women's alcohol consumption. According to police the most usual reasons for baseless reports were memory breaks due to excessive alcohol consumption and creating an alibi against a cheated partner.

In 2014 The Helsinki Police posted a Facebook message discouraging people from filing false reports of rape or sexual assault after a drunken night. In a subsequent post the next day Police claimed that 2/3 of cleared sexual crime reports in the first half of the year 2014 in Helsinki were either completely wrong, no crime was included or the accuser had dropped the claim.

And, of course, those are just the reports that go through the police, and it's in Finland. Crying wolf doesn't get you far when the law is involved, but crying wolf on social media and online - that's making allegations that wouldn't hold up in court because things aren't the way you think they are, or claim they are - is just fine it seems.

[Raqubor]

Didn't need to because the claim was unfounded and absurd.

"Unfounded and absurd" The thing is, you can't take away me and my friends personal experience.