The biggest mistake Obama made as president was trying to work with Republicans..

[NED funded]

Or the Democrats have the foresight to understand that expansion of power applies to positions, not party or people, and any expansion of powers can backfire horribly if their party ever loses power. I'm sure Republicans anticipated holding power indefinitely due to a combination of electoral college on a national level and gerrymandering at the state and local levels giving them something like 5x the voting capital of Democrats, but they fucked up and took it too far and now the courts are pushing back.

There are other ways of acquiring power. Propaganda is also good and one of the reasons Reps have an almost undying support from their base despite the horrible shit they do. For starters, if I had absolute control of the democratic party, I'd try to get as many party hacks into MSBNC and make them fox but for the left.

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It's never a mistake to act like an adult and seek compromise.

Compromising with concentration camps. lol. The left doesn't have the guts to win.

[Crispin]

A party that ignores almost half the population is a disgrace (this goes for both sides), getiing deals done across the middle secures them in the long term, but apparently alot of the American politics share the child like mind of their voters, with the "fuck the others and let's do us!" mindset. Reading stuff like "I love liberal tears", clearly shows that Americans are stuck in the realistic conflict theory. It's a neverending circle of utter hate for eachother, for what? A tad lower tax, abortion and healthcare disagreements?

Sadly it doesnt seem to change, especially when US voters are enjoying the other sides complaints about the situation (democrats and republicans). In the end I guess it makes me quite happy, that we have a system where the majority vote decides the winner, and the parties often make deals across the middle to ensure their longetivity.

[Elegiac]

It's never a mistake to act like an adult and seek compromise.

You don't compromise with fascists.

[Priestiality]

A party that ignores almost half the population is a disgrace (this goes for both sides), getiing deals done across the middle secures them in the long term, but apparently alot of the American politics share the child like mind of their voters, with the "fuck the others and let's do us!" mindset. Reading stuff like "I love liberal tears", clearly shows that Americans are stuck in the realistic conflict theory. It's a neverending circle of utter hate for eachother, for what? A tad lower tax, abortion and healthcare disagreements?

Sadly it doesnt seem to change, especially when US voters are enjoying the other sides complaints about the situation (democrats and republicans). In the end I guess it makes me quite happy, that we have a system where the majority vote decides the winner, and the parties often make deals across the middle to ensure their longetivity.

Dems didn't ignore the Republicans until the Teabilly Takeover of 2010 tho? Half the reason Obamacare is the shitshow it is, is due to compromise and concession from Democrats.

[Trifle]

I would argue that Obama's Presidency demonstrates the negative outcomes that derive from trying to seek compromise with a recalcitrant opposition who won't participate in good faith. The ACA, for instance, could have been a concrete single-payer system. They tried to base it off Romney's healthcare plan to make it have cross-party appeal, and it didn't get them any benefit or advantage whatsoever.

I don't think they had enough democratic support to make a complete single payer system. There's a whole lot of conservative democrats.

[Wvvtayy]

In New Jersey?

His biggest mistake was supporting and endorsing Hillary and commenting Trump would not get elected.

Yes actually, I live in Ocean County, by far the deepest red part of the state. Yes, even blue states have majority Republican areas.

[Louisa Bannon]

As great a president as he was...

Obama was never going to be great and never even got close. He was always a POS centrist, technically actually right of center and therefore actually a Republican like the Clintons. Once he became "capitulator in chief" it was all over. I recall reading editorials about how clever Obama was, calculating his strategy like a chess master anticipating gameplay 20 moves out. And that turned out to be 100% pure bullshit. Obamacare is just Romney's plan from Mass. He basically just gave the conservatives everything they could have wanted even before they asked for it, including a stupid "trojan horse" healthcare plan that was sure to fail and suck donkey dick.

The only thing I will grant is that maybe once people got a whiff of shitty, shitty Obamacare and what a better plan that didn't include private insurers might mean to our economy and future prosperity as a people, that maybe the citizens of the U.S. might actually extract their own heads from their assholes and go full "Medicare for All."

[cubby]

Agreed. Have them....

-Outlaw gerrymandering and move it to a non-partisan system.
-Public funding of elections and ban campaign contributions and PACs.
-Bring back the fairness doctrine
-Codify Net Neutrality where it can't be screwed with.
-Term limits for Supreme Court Justices while appointing 2 new justices to balance out the stolen seat.
-Change the voting system to ranked voting instead of first past the post.
-Encourage states to mandate that electoral college votes be apportioned by popular vote and not winner take all or an amendment to abolish it entirely.

Just doing those right there would completely neuter the Republican party in both financial and political power and have their heads explode.

The question is would the Democrats have the balls to do it or would the donor money be too much to resist and holding onto the dream that they will always stay in power so no reason to fix stuff now.

That's a terrific plan, and I would love to see most of it implemented, immediately if possible. The EC is the big one, imo, as far as dramatic change goes. Net neutrality should never have been messed with in the first place.

Interesting idea about term limits for SCOTUS. Have to think on that one. I wish there was a way to nulify the seat the GOP stole.

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Or you could just work together to make America a better place instead of telling 50% of the population they can fuck off and die?
The left is getting more extreme with the day.

[Elegiac]

Or you could just work together to make America a better place instead of telling 50% of the population they can fuck off and die?
The left is getting more extreme with the day.

Republicans do not constitute 50% of the population.

And again; there can be no compromise with fascists.

[Felya]

Republicans do not constitute 50% of the population.

And again; there can be no compromise with fascists.

It was half of Trump supporters, then it was all Trump supporters, now its 50% of the population. By the time 2020 rolls around, we will be talking about how she called everyone deplorable. It’s not me... the growth over the last 2 years, if sustained... would mean she insulted everyone.

The growth in the amount of people Hillary insulted with that, is outperforming the Dow.

[Captain N]

And again; there can be no compromise with fascists.

Something The Greatest Generation understood. Yet somehow their children and grand-children have the need to dismantle that legacy because of scary people with dark skin.

[Wvvtayy]

It was half of Trump supporters, then it was all Trump supporters, now its 50% of the population. By the time 2020 rolls around, we will be talking about how she called everyone deplorable. It’s not me... the growth over the last 2 years, if sustained... would mean she insulted everyone.

The growth in the amount of people Hillary insulted with that, is outperforming the Dow.

Trump does not have a 50% approval rating, and who gives a fuck what hillary said? Are you really still that deeply hurt over a comment she made 3 years ago?

Get over it.

[Fugus]

That's a terrific plan, and I would love to see most of it implemented, immediately if possible. The EC is the big one, imo, as far as dramatic change goes. Net neutrality should never have been messed with in the first place.

Interesting idea about term limits for SCOTUS. Have to think on that one. I wish there was a way to nulify the seat the GOP stole.

I would implement a 10 year term limit so every 2 and a half presidencies it would be chosen and stagger it.

As far as the stolen seat, if Trump is found guilty and discovered that he was working on behalf of a foreign power to hurt us. I would say they remove every person he nominated and appointed including the stolen seat and every decision they did be revisited.

[mvaliz]

Or you could just work together to make America a better place instead of telling 50% 75% of the population they can fuck off and die?
The left Alt-Right is getting more extreme with the day.

Fixed that for you

[cubby]

I would implement a 10 year term limit so every 2 and a half presidencies it would be chosen and stagger it.

Ok, I could go with something like that. I would push it further 15-20 years, but those are just details. I can't say I'm 100% on this, but it might just be my affection for tradition that is holding me back, if that makes any sense.

As far as the stolen seat, if Trump is found guilty and discovered that he was working on behalf of a foreign power to hurt us. I would say they remove every person he nominated and appointed including the stolen seat and every decision they did be revisited.

I would very much like to see that happen. It would complicated, and I think it could be resolved in a couple of different ways. As a thought exercise I think this could be a lot of fun.

[tyrlaan]

I have to sight that I don't think that was Obama's mistake. Obama, like generally most Americans, assumed their neighbor was willing to to work together and work to compromise. That is what the country stood for, and that is what he tried to represent.

The mistake made was on the Republican side - it was they who fostered hate and rage instead of meeting-in-the-middle, trying new ideas and attempting compromise. It was they themselves who shouted "It is our job to make him a one-term President!" instead of wanting to work with him.

They engaged in fearmongering, rage, slandering, bigotry and every scumbag move in the book to piss enough people off that 2 years into his presidency they ran out and voted all his power away in 2010. Then, knowing how fickle and short-memoried their supporters are - worked tirelessly to make sure Obama never got anything done, just to accuse him of never getting anything done 6 years later - and they believed it, ignoring the fact it was THEY who prevented Obama's admin from getting anything done in the first place.

Agree with this. Working with both sides of the aisle is the way its supposed to work. Obama trying to work with Republicans is what you want to see a president do.

Now, when he started governing through EOs.... that was a mistake and has led us to the current state where Trump gets to undo much of Obama's work.

But the biggest mistake was probably...

Naw, I'm gonna say it was his expansion of the drone assassination program that the CIA says only hits the right target around 20% of the time.

You are on the wrong forum. You are correct that this is an echo chamber, and anything remotely outside what they throw in to their circle jerk will not be tolerated or even given a chance. You will always be wrong because you do not support them. No one on here has an open mind, you can not show them anything different because they will look past it and ignore it. This is like a written version of the tv show The View, with most of them playing the Joy Behar character. Your best bet is to troll people and make them more mad.

Yes, please troll so we can report you for breaking forum rules.

Or you could just work together to make America a better place instead of telling 50% of the population they can fuck off and die?
The left is getting more extreme with the day.

The further right the GOP moves, the more extreme the left will look without even moving an inch.

[Lenonis]

Or you could just work together to make America a better place instead of telling 50% of the population they can fuck off and die?
The left is getting more extreme with the day.

Jesus christ on a stick enough with the flagrant and blatant "forgetting" everything that happened from 2008-2016.

Don't sit there and pretend the left's walking away from compromise is anything other than a response to this exact behavior exhibited by the right who fully embraced the extremism you are decrying in the last decade.

It's just so malicious and completely fake it's nauseating.

[Fugus]

Ok, I could go with something like that. I would push it further 15-20 years, but those are just details. I can't say I'm 100% on this, but it might just be my affection for tradition that is holding me back, if that makes any sense.




I would very much like to see that happen. It would complicated, and I think it could be resolved in a couple of different ways. As a thought exercise I think this could be a lot of fun.

With the justice, I would say a 10 year term limit, I would like to allow for re-election but then you have to worry about them basing their judgements less on their merits and more about trying to get re-elected so I couldn't do it. Most I could really allow would be 15 years. Otherwise we have justices in their so old they are out of touch with the public much anymore. Also don't want re-elections due to how incumbents usually have it easier to get re-elected, even if they are trash. Would also make it where they are retired for life and can only work in government after that if they wanted to continue to prevent them from being bought up with another job when they left, same as I would do with other representatives. Hate how running a nation is seen as a stepping stone to consulting jobs when it should be seen as an endgame.

For the review and removal of Trump stuff, it would definitely be complicated but would review everything they did with those who threw us under the bus forced to eat crow the entire time watching it being rolled back. Feel a little bad for those who thought they were elected to help being informed they were only elected because their views damaged us but still better than having the damage done.

Plus Mitch the Bitch being forced to watch the justice he got put their by screwing the public and his job being removed and them potentially putting in the guy who cheated out of it or someone with an even less sympathetic view to his up there. Especially after their recent case that made it illegal for many employees to sue their employers by making the arbitration clauses legally enforceable.

[Sky High]

no his biggest downfall and what will lead to unknown consequences in the future is his disinterest in prosecuting the fuck faces that caused the 08 crash and never bothering to put the safe guards back up to keep another collapse from happening. even without putting more legislation towards that he still let those assholes off the hook and now we're right back on the edge teetering on a great depression level crash with a bunch of short sighted greedy idiots in charge.