Disney looking to fire Kathleen Kennedy

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This is Mark Hamils criticism of TLJ made to a Spanish magazine " “I almost had to think of Luke as another character. Maybe he’s Jake Skywalker — he’s not my Luke Skywalker.”"

What an actor thinks doesn’t matter in the slightest he plays luke that doesn’t make him luke.

[Dizson]

All the recent SW films were absolutely terrible movies, also rehashed stories everywhere and cliches, so bad. It's not even bad, it's like it is actually nothing. Definietly nothing compared to the old SW movies..... No feelings, no real story, the cinematics are average.

[Video Games]

Is toxic the new buzzword of 2018? Genuinely curious. Toxic Nazi

Its incel, actually.

[nymphetsss]

None of them were objectively bad movies though. IMO, all the Disney SW films are much better than the any of the ones that came before it. If you want mediocre, watch the original trilogy.

you can really compare movies from the 70s/80s to now a days though. When SW came out it was the shit, now its just more lens flares with very similar plot lines ( i really did like rogue one though). Were they bad? not really , mediocre and uninspired I'd say so

[Dystemper]

Just linked a video with interviews from Lucus you can ignore every thing else in the video but Lucus him self says he doesn’t want to make more because the fan base was toxic.

Yeah he was tried of Star wars even before ROTJ. I remmebr reading articles stating that and interviews he did. He made them to keep making money but his heart was never really in it as much. Even in that video he wants to make experimental movies that no one sees. He was always about the movie making process and to some degree special effects. Hollywood does not want experimental movies. I think blaming the fans was easier then " I just dont have the drive to do it".

[Moralgy]

Just linked a video with interviews from Lucus you can ignore every thing else in the video but Lucus him self says he doesn’t want to make more because the fan base was toxic.

Tbh I knew some of the shit that went on, but I had no idea people were actually finding Lucas in public and harassing him before that video you linked.

Jesus fuck star wars fans have needed to calm their tits for almost 20 years now >.>.

[Dystemper]

Its incel, actually.

Toxic Incels

[Mosotti]

And he has since debunked your bullshit multiple times over. After self-reflection he realized the Luke arc made sense.

He self reflected after Disney threatened him with god knows what lawyer army of doom lol

[Endus]

Contradiction may not be the correct word, but more like...misdirection? For instance, finding Luke meant everything in TFA and in TLJ he essentially meant nothing, and his behavior is absolutely not in line with his character and everything we understand of it up to this point. Mark Hamil, even though I know he's not the ultimate authority on it, even said as much.

Hamill's also reversed position on that after giving it greater thought.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2018/06/2...luke-skywalker

At the end of RotJ, Luke was aspirational, but the OT had already shown he had a dark streak. And aspirational youths often mature into cynical adults, as their aspirations fail to hold true to the grinding gears of reality.

I also fail to see how finding Luke made TFA and TLJ "mean nothing". The central theme the new trilogy seems to be turning on is that you can't always follow the paths of your elders. Kylo's tried, and failed, to follow Vader. The Resistance tried to find a path to Luke, hoping he could save them as he saved the Rebellion, but again, that path simply isn't the way forward. It's a lot of effort to achieve very little, but that's the point, to demonstrate that they cannot take that path. If their intent is to break the Jedi and Sith duality moving forward, for a more nuanced and multifaceted treatment of the Force, this is a necessary step; the last remaining Jedi has to not be your saviour.

What should underscore this is that nothing killed Luke. He recognized his time was done, said his goodbyes, and opened himself to the Force, and became one with it. Just like Obi-wan did, in his duel with Vader. So this is a sacrifice that was even expressly done in the Original Trilogy, and yet people are acting like it's unprecedented.

Honestly though the thing for me is that, in the films it's just as you said before, they tell the story by showing you things to help you understand. In all the previous films, the things they showed, their significance and what it meant were obvious. In TLJ, they showed a lot, but what they meant wasn't always obvious and in the context of the movie sometimes didn't even make sense. That whole casino field trip wasn't even necessary, at least not how they did it, and the animal chase sequence? What was that? Why did it matter?

The thing with Rey in the dark cave... sure there's many interpretations that make sense, like it doesn't matter who her parents are it's your choices...but that's not at all obvious and is up for interpretation.

It's honestly pretty difficult to zero in on what exactly I find the issue to be with TLJ, but it just felt hollow as a movie and lacking in a lot of substance besides humor (which was horribly out of place IMO).

You have to take trilogies as a whole. The final entry is where they pull this all together and tie everything up with a neat bow. If they don't do that, I'll crap all over it. Until they fail to do so, though, they have time to pull it off, and I can at least see potential reasons for the choices they've made thus far, narratively and thematically.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yeah he was tried of Star wars even before ROTJ. I remmebr reading articles stating that and interviews he did. He made them to keep making money but his heart was never really in it as much. Even in that video he wants to make experimental movies that no one sees. He was always about the movie making process and to some degree special effects. Hollywood does not want experimental movies. I think blaming the fans was easier then " I just dont have the drive to do it".

It doesn’t really matter what Hollywood wanted he had the money to make more movies if he wanted to like he originally planed. In his own words he stopped making them because he got hate not because he fell out of love with them. The fan base drove starwars to Disney by being asses because they didn’t like the movies instead of just accepting that they don’t need to love every movie they piled on hate which we are now seeing repeat with the new movies.

[Dystemper]

Nice conspiracy theory.

Not really a conspiracy when its is entirely possible and Disney has been known to do such things in the past

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Tbh I knew some of the shit that went on, but I had no idea people were actually finding Lucas in public and harassing him before that video you linked.

Jesus fuck star wars fans have needed to calm their tits for almost 20 years now >.>.

Pretty much ya. Main reason I don’t go to starwars forums Even though I’m a huge fan is that there horribly toxic about every little thing they don’t like as if it’s a personal afront to them.

[Deleted]

Nice conspiracy theory.

You can't prove any of yours points
You insults people, directly or not, whenever they disagree with you
You are one of those "whatever you say sweety/bud"
You still can't prove shit

And now that we know you a lil' bit more, you obviously come around with conspiracy theory, because actors being gently reminded about their actors status never backtracked in any franchise at all, just a fairy tell.

[Endus]

I suppose that just reaffirms the point that Obi-wan was the real badass of all Star Wars.

The "grinding gears of reality" crushed his dreams, too. His apprentice turned, the republic fell, he was exiled, and yet he still retained his duty, nobility and sense of purpose. Enough to guide Luke on his path before sacrificing himself.

Luke just turned into a bitter old dude who was captain of the football team in high school and then spent the rest of his life pissed at the world when everything else didn't go how he wanted.

For fun, imagine you grew up and the prequels were all you knew. And then you're watching A New Hope for the first time. The hero of the prequels is Ben! Awesome! Ben's fantastic! He was always so upbeat, and we can finally see him take on Vader!

And then the big fight comes, and Ben just avoids Vader, and then lets Vader strike him down, and vanishes.

And the whole way through the movie, he's just sort of quiet and moody and wistful, and not the strong and sassy Obi-wan you remembered.

You've forgotten that he lost, and that there's been 20+ years of time you've skipped over. And that his sacrifice was for a reason. Luke's actions at the end of TLJ was actually the part of that movie I really enjoyed, and I don't think it was in any way out of character for Luke, and it was a pretty direct analogue to Obi-Wan's own conduct. Could Luke have used more support and training from a live Obi-Wan? Sure. But that wasn't what was going to happen. Same with Rey and Luke. It's nearly identical, thematically.

Hell, even down to the "had an apprentice who went to the Dark Side and murdered a bunch of kids".

[Deleted]

Pretty much ya. Main reason I don’t go to starwars forums Even though I’m a huge fan is that there horribly toxic about every little thing they don’t like as if it’s a personal afront to them.

Yet, you hang on MMO champ, which have (arguebly) the same level of fanatism "toxic fanbase"

Quaint.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yet, you hang on MMO champ, which have (arguebly) the same level of fanatism "toxic fanbase"

Quaint.

MMOC isn’t only about starwars so no it’s not quaint is comptly unrelated. The wow fanbase can be toxic to sure but I don’t post all that often in the wow part.

[Endus]

Not really a conspiracy when its is entirely possible and Disney has been known to do such things in the past

Nah, it doesn't even make sense.

They can't threaten Hamill's residuals; those are contractual on work already performed.
His character literally just died. He won't be a major part of the remaining films, regardless.
Hamill's career is doing just fine outside of Star Wars; it's not like he's a penniless hermit like his character was.

The claims about possible Disney pressure is nothing more than irrational fanboys making shit up because they don't like the truth, as told to them by the actor they're attacking (while trying to pretend that they're defending him).

Since Hamill's latest public statements about the character are entirely reasonable and make complete sense given the representations in the film, you're engaging in a hell of a lot of mental chicanery to try and think up reasons why he'd lie about something he has no reason to lie about.

[Dystemper]

Which any corporation would do unless it starts affecting their business and they need to reassure investors. At this moment it's some fringe blogs posting about unsubstantiated claims from a YouTuber. All they would do is make it a bigger story if they commented either way about it.

As said if someone in a seven figure job was stupid enough to risk their job and possible lawsuit for violating their NDA. Then they aren't very bright.

It happens all the time, and Disney may even have allowed it to be leaked . This type of thing happens a lot in Hollywood . If Iger is really pissed at Kennedy then a "leak" saying they are looking to fire her is very possible

[Steelangel]

Same with Rey and Luke. It's nearly identical, thematically.

Hell, even down to the "had an apprentice who went to the Dark Side and murdered a bunch of kids".

So you'd agree that the two newest movies are just a rhyme on the themes of the first 6? That's the one thing that I was never particularly happy with with TFA and TLJ; it's like someone took the first 6 episodes, tossed it into an AI and told it to write fanfic. The first 6 movies had repetitive thematic elements, but it was more fugue than couplet.

But as a white male, my negative opinion of the new movies makes me a racist and sexist neckbeard, and that insinuation makes me even more upset.

[Endus]

So you'd agree that the two newest movies are just a rhyme on the themes of the first 6? That's the one thing that I was never particularly happy with with TFA and TLJ; it's like someone took the first 6 episodes, tossed it into an AI and told it to write fanfic. The first 6 movies had repetitive thematic elements, but it was more fugue than couplet.

Yes, a series will tend to revolve around the same thematic themes throughout its run. This isn't surprising, nor is it a flaw.

But as a white male, my negative opinion of the new movies makes me a racist and sexist neckbeard, and that insinuation makes me even more upset.

Speaking as a white male, literally nobody has accused me of being a "racist" or "sexist", let alone a "neckbeard", other than far-right types here on this forum just trying to get a rise out of me.

If you're constantly being labelled as a racist and sexist, maybe it's how you act, because it's not just for being a white dude.